Opponents Are "Patriots" Not "Enemies"

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I can name several off the top of my head: no single payer healthcare, no public option, extending Bush tax cuts for some, expansion of offshore drilling (before the BP clusterfook) and the D.C. school vouchers program.

Wow.. uhh...

We will all end up in single payer programs because our current providors cannot compete (by design). Obama has even expressed a desire to do just that.

If the current admin. could end the Bush tax cuts without having hail holy mary unleashed they would do so in a hearbeat.

The BP clusterfook... clouldent have said it better myself.

I dont see a lot of 'comprimise' here.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Wow. Just wow.

It's no real surprise that you find the concept incredulous.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

If the current admin. could end the Bush tax cuts without having hail holy mary unleashed they would do so in a hearbeat.

they did just that by not voting to extend them they will ALL expire Jan 1st even those for the middle class so by doing nothing the ended All the Bush tax cuts.

them saying they will do it in a lame duck session after the elections is a smoke screen because they get just what they wanted (higher taxes) by just doing nothing about them.

[August]

Originally Posted by Webster

they did just that by not voting to extend them they will ALL expire Jan 1st even those for the middle class so by doing nothing the ended All the Bush tax cuts.

them saying they will do it in a lame duck session after the elections is a smoke screen because they get just what they wanted (higher taxes) by just doing nothing about them.

Doesn't really matter I think. The incoming Congress will extend them long before anyone has to pay.

[tater]

"Healthcare" was the unmitigated disaster.

The healthcare bill that I guarantee no one who voted for completely understands (they couldn't possibly given the "pass it yesterday!" time frame) is a trojan horse for single payer.

It's a massive cluster*******, and will hurt healthcare delivery, and providers. It does nothing to solve the problem in the US which is NOT people uncovered. The real problem is COST (and in flyover states, lack of docs and nurses). This bill will increase costs for people that actually pay for healthcare (the insured). Will, not might. Why? Adding medicaid patients (tens of millions) costs providers money out of pocket. They must get rate increases from the insured, or be unable to stay in business. They'll also do everything possible to avoid seeing medicaid. Sadly, specialists who need to work in hospitals (surgeons) cannot avoid medicaid since they get those deadbeats when they are on call (they're not all deadbeats, but the % of medicaid deadbeats is way higher than non-medicaid).

[tater]

Originally Posted by August

Doesn't really matter I think. The incoming Congress will extend them long before anyone has to pay.

New congress can't do squat, frankly. Obama has veto.

Anything passed will have to be bipartisan.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

It's no real surprise that you find the concept incredulous.

The fact that you can't grasp the concept of a humorous fiction that uses real life themes to illustrate a point is indeed incredulous.

[AVGWarhawk]

I vote McRib.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by tater

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

Obama is too much of a ideologue to do a "move" to the center.Clinton did not really move to the center, he just made it appear so.Okay on a few things like welfare reform he did but that was just to make it look so.Clinton is a far left fool BUT he liked being President more than anything, thus why he gave in on some things.Obama will prob not even try that because as said he is too much of an ideologue, feels that sort of thing is beneath him and as he has shown, could care less what the people want.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The last Congress was a disaster because of stuff like this:



The problem is that lately the GOP has taken such a turn to the hard right that their view of "centrism" is skewed. And you can forget bipartisanship - the tone is to oust any "moderate" Republicans who are viewed as frauds and pretenders. If you don't meet some ideological purity test, you're shunned.

I had a woman tell me that she believed any Republican that broke ranks with the party in a bipartisanship vote should be kicked out of the party. What an idiot.

Bipartisanship is overrated and part of the problem.When you have two groups who's principles are at absolute odds with one another, you can not compromise.Those who do compromise when it goes against what they really believe are a weak, spineless breed and have NO place in the GOP.I'm glad to see the RINO's gone.Just too bad we couldn't purge McCain out of the party but oh well I guess.

Mookie, I agree the anyone who says someone should get the boot for simply breaking ranks is wrong, maybe even an idiot.However, if they claim to be a Republican/Conservative but often vote for things are are contrary to the principles of a Republican/Conservative then they become a RINO and should be given the boot.Breaking ranks now and then unless on a big issue like health care is acceptable.I often disagree with fellow Republicans and Conservatives on issues such as gay marriage, religion, etc but it makes me no less a Republican or Conservative.However, if I claimed to be one and supported Obama and the Dems on fiscal issues or healthcare, then my principles are obviously not strong and I am in the wrong party.

RINO's like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, John McCain etc Governor of Florida Charlie Crist is a great example of a RINO, claims to be a "moderate" lol but a damn RINO and thus why he lost the Primary to Rubio and is way down in the polls for Senate since he switched to Independent.Some tolerance for the occasional different view on issues can be shown but people who are regular offenders should be shunned and in this new era for the party, they prob will and that is a great thing.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Webster

obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

he has shown he will never compromise or try to get along, hell even with the big losses the democrats know are coming, just a few days ago in a speech he told republicans they had to get to the back of the bus

he sure likes to play the race card a lot and makes racist comments for someone who said he is supposed to be post racial

lol duh because he is racist, I knew this before 2008 after reading his books.The man's racism has came to light in various comments and incidents(such as copgate) Obama is also someone who has used his race his ENTIRE life as a means to get in the door someone then as an excuse if something does not work out.Just a disgusting trait(flaw) he has as a human being. +

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The fact that you can't grasp the concept of a humorous fiction that uses real life themes to illustrate a point is indeed incredulous.

This is what you said Mookie:

It illustrates exactly how the past two years have transpired and it proves my point exactly.

Now either admit that you were wrong again or start your usual backpedaling.

[mookiemookie]

Nothing to admit I'm wrong about. The fact that it obviously went over your head isn't worth me wasting anymore time trying to explain it to you Dr Seuss style. This is a ridiculous discussion.

Originally Posted by August

Now either admit that you were wrong again or start your usual backpedaling.

I see you've started your usual snippy and petty comments. We're done here.

[tater]

Clinton was forced to the center by the congressional change. New congress won't get credit for anything positive by the media, Obama will. Similarly, if things don't improve, the same media will blame the new congress (except maybe the one media outlet that is not left of center—and they'd do the opposite to the dems if the shoes were on the other feet.).

Bottom line is that any success of the new congress will make Obama more electable in 2012.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Nothing to admit I'm wrong about. The fact that it obviously went over your head isn't worth me wasting anymore time trying to explain it Dr Seuss style.

No I understand it perfectly. If I or another conservative had tried to use a fictional story to "prove" a point we were making you would be all over us about it but when we call you on it you resort to personal insults. Yeah I get your drift man.

I would, but you've beat me to it by starting your usual snippy and petty comments

Oh I'm being snippy and petty but you making Dr Seuss comparisons is the complete opposite of that right? I guess you are having a bad night politically but just that's no reason to be rude robin.