McChrystal most likely on the way out..

[Weiss Pinguin]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

It's been what, 60 days since the oil spill started?

Close to 70 now I think

Originally Posted by Tchocky

It's been what, 60 days since the oil spill started?

That was a typo. Meant 40. But it's still a lot longer than 7 minutes!

Originally Posted by Zachstar

thorn why don't you say the real reason you dislike Obama that much and be done with it. And Clinton while you are at it. And dont tell me its because of military.

80 days to react to oil spill? 7 mins for Bush? Both are beyond silly statements. To say the least.

What other reason would you like me to give? I could call him a complete f'n idiot but that would be in poor form!

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

thorn why don't you say the real reason you dislike Obama that much and be done with it.

I thought that he did. He had some valid points.

I guess its easier to just attack.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by thorn69

What other reason would you like me to give? I could call him a complete f'n idiot but that would be in poor form!

With the post you made about his judge pick in the other topic you are not fooling me one bit.

As for McCrystal's sorry butt we spent a great deal of manpower and treasure in Iraq and frankly we just cant spare the manpower to fight another endless war in Afghanistan. On top of that the recently mineral desposits that had right wingers foaming at the mouth dreaming of extended war are now considered too costly to extract by international companies.

Therefore its not worth sending more troops to die for a country that is unlikely to stabilize for decades and likely can only be temporarily muzzled by having drones hovering like vultures all over the place. Troops don't mean a darn thing compared to a squad of drones in such a conflict.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

With the post you made about his judge pick in the other topic you are not fooling me one bit.

As for McCrystal's sorry butt we spent a great deal of manpower and treasure in Iraq and frankly we just cant spare the manpower to fight another endless war in Afghanistan. On top of that the recently mineral desposits that had right wingers foaming at the mouth dreaming of extended war are now considered too costly to extract by international companies.

Therefore its not worth sending more troops to die for a country that is unlikely to stabilize for decades and likely can only be temporarily muzzled by having drones hovering like vultures all over the place. Troops don't mean a darn thing compared to a squad of drones in such a conflict.

agreed. its unfortunate what is happening in Afghanistan, but the only way to really turn things around would be with a massive influx of troops and billions of dollar of aid, none of which is likely to happen. Better to cut our losses, pull out altogether, cross our fingers and hope for the best.

Originally Posted by Zachstar

With the post you made about his judge pick in the other topic you are not fooling me one bit.

As for McCrystal's sorry butt we spent a great deal of manpower and treasure in Iraq and frankly we just cant spare the manpower to fight another endless war in Afghanistan. On top of that the recently mineral desposits that had right wingers foaming at the mouth dreaming of extended war are now considered too costly to extract by international companies.

Therefore its not worth sending more troops to die for a country that is unlikely to stabilize for decades and likely can only be temporarily muzzled by having drones hovering like vultures all over the place. Troops don't mean a darn thing compared to a squad of drones in such a conflict.

Not fooling you? WTH do you mean by that? I thought I laid it out on the table pretty cut and paste! It's not my fault that you require assistance with reading and comprehension! I'm not playing any tricks here about how I feel about Obama. I would think most people could see that. What exactly do you want me to say about him that I haven't said already?

Originally Posted by Zachstar

With the post you made about his judge pick in the other topic you are not fooling me one bit.

As for McCrystal's sorry butt we spent a great deal of manpower and treasure in Iraq and frankly we just cant spare the manpower to fight another endless war in Afghanistan. On top of that the recently mineral desposits that had right wingers foaming at the mouth dreaming of extended war are now considered too costly to extract by international companies.

Therefore its not worth sending more troops to die for a country that is unlikely to stabilize for decades and likely can only be temporarily muzzled by having drones hovering like vultures all over the place. Troops don't mean a darn thing compared to a squad of drones in such a conflict.

Then tell me why Obama hasn't brought home the troops? If he feels that Afghanistan is a lost cause (like you seem to think) then why hasn't he brought them home? You don't know what you're talking about! The fact is, McChrystal is a "war expert". He's a 4-star general and you don't get any higher than that in his line of work. He requested 50,000 more troops a year ago and Obama only gave him half that many and it took Obama half a year almost to give him that half. Therefore, Obama set McChrystal up for failure and it has cost many American soldiers their lives as well as innocent civilians their lives as well. All Obama did his first year in office was sit on his own two hands and blame Bush for everything. He's still trying to blame Bush for everything yet America isn't buying that excuse anymore. Obama is a clueless moron that doesn't know how to lead. He's never had a legitimate job before in his life. He's never been a leader. He didn't even have enough time in the Senate to learn how to play politics. He depends on others to make decisions for him. All he is is a puppet! Why don't you see this? You're living in denial mate! Face it!

[Skybird]

Hard to imagine that a general talks like this to a freelance journalist without seeing the risk involved, and without knowing what now is coming to him. Not that I am a big fan of him, from the little I know aboput his Afghanistan strategy I am not, but I tend to assume he did his stunt intentionally, hoping to raise public attention that he would not have hpoped for if he had resigned first, and then made his statements.

In other words I think there are things going on regarding the war that make him both hopeless and desperate so that he chosed this PR Kamikaze stunt. This at least makes more sense to me than assuming he was acting mindlessly.

Trapped in the Afghan maze.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Hard to imagine that a general talks like this to a freelance journalist without seeing the risk involved,.

Exactly and the Rolling Stone.. I dont think you could pick a more liberal outlet save CNN.

No this is calculated trust me. Even the public apology.

[Skybird]

Just read a german news quoting the WP that the American milizary is paying bribery and protection money to warlods and even the Taleban to arrange safe travels for supply convoys of theirs. At the same time they make claims about how determined they are to fight a war, to defeat the enemy, and demand the Afghan president to battle corruption and a culture of bribery.

No wonder that the general "went mad" - at least as long as he has not ordered these practices. If he had ordered them, this would be an even more important reason to fire him.

A NATO supply convoy was recently attacked near Islamabad, capital of Pakistan. 140 vehicles were destroyed by - according to reports - just twelve attackers. This could not happen near the capital, in this way and style, without the Pakistani (military, ISI) knowing it. Absolutely impossible. Again: no wonder the general "went mad" - his boss is still paying Pakistan huge ammounts of money.

I wonder when they will start to airdrop weapons and ammo on Taliban camps.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Just read a german news quoting the WP that the American milizary is paying bribery and protection money to warlods and even the Taleban to arrange safe travels for supply convoys of theirs. At the same time they make claims about how determined they are to fight a war, to defeat the enemy, and demand the Afghan president to battle corruption and a culture of bribery.

No wonder that the general "went mad" - at least as long as he has not ordered these practices. If he had ordered them, this would be an even more important reason to fire him.

A NATO supply convoy was recently attacked near Islamabad, capital of Pakistan. 140 vehicles were destroyed by - according to reports - just twelve attackers. This could not happen near the capital, in this way and style, without the Pakistani (military, ISI) knowing it. Absolutely impossible. Again: no wonder the general "went mad" - his boss is still paying Pakistan huge ammounts of money.

I wonder when they will start to airdrop weapons and ammo on Taliban camps.

Obama started paying off Taliban members the moment he took office. That's old news. Obama's answer to the war effort was to use tax payer dollars to pay off our enemy. Sort of like how a small kid will pay their milk money to a bully to save themselves from getting a knuckle-sandwich. Obama is a coward and his little "payoff" strategy is just downright embarrassing for the whole country.

[Platapus]

Do we have a link to exactly what McChrystal said? The articles I read are what the reporter from Rolling Stones said that McChrystal said.

Before I can opine whether McChrystal violated UCMJ Article 88, I would like to read what he actually said.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I wonder when they will start to airdrop weapons and ammo on Taliban camps.

LOL no need to worry about that. I heard a story the other day from a serviceman whom was in an engagement. They called for illumination flares but the request was denied due to concearns of the ordinance either starting a fire or landing on someone and injuring them.

They then called for smoke but again rules of engagement prevented the arty from laying down smoke where it was needed (too close to civvys) and the smoke was put some 100 yards off the target and did little but confuse the situation. Seems the offset was ordered at the last second at the guns themselves.

So yea no raining of weapons, they will have to get them just like they always have... but thats another topic.

Originally Posted by Platapus

Do we have a link to exactly what McChrystal said? The articles I read are what the reporter from Rolling Stones said that McChrystal said.

Before I can opine whether McChrystal violated UCMJ Article 88, I would like to read what he actually said.

Couldn't be any worse than Obama calling that rap guy awhile back a "jackass" in the media behind his back or comparing his own bowling game to those of mentally retarded children in the Special Olympics - especially when it's not his bowling game that makes him look retarded.