McChrystal most likely on the way out..

Zachstar · 06-22-10, 02:55 PM

thorn why don't you say the real reason you dislike Obama that much and be done with it. And Clinton while you are at it. And dont tell me its because of military.

80 days to react to oil spill? 7 mins for Bush? Both are beyond silly statements. To say the least.

Tchocky · 06-22-10, 02:57 PM

It's been what, 60 days since the oil spill started?

Weiss Pinguin · 06-22-10, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

It's been what, 60 days since the oil spill started?

Close to 70 now I think

06-22-10, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

It's been what, 60 days since the oil spill started?

That was a typo. Meant 40. But it's still a lot longer than 7 minutes!

Skybird · 06-22-10, 03:40 PM

Hard to imagine that a general talks like this to a freelance journalist without seeing the risk involved, and without knowing what now is coming to him. Not that I am a big fan of him, from the little I know aboput his Afghanistan strategy I am not, but I tend to assume he did his stunt intentionally, hoping to raise public attention that he would not have hpoped for if he had resigned first, and then made his statements.

In other words I think there are things going on regarding the war that make him both hopeless and desperate so that he chosed this PR Kamikaze stunt. This at least makes more sense to me than assuming he was acting mindlessly.

Trapped in the Afghan maze.

SteamWake · 06-22-10, 03:49 PM

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Hard to imagine that a general talks like this to a freelance journalist without seeing the risk involved,.

Exactly and the Rolling Stone.. I dont think you could pick a more liberal outlet save CNN.

No this is calculated trust me. Even the public apology.

Skybird · 06-22-10, 03:57 PM

Just read a german news quoting the WP that the American milizary is paying bribery and protection money to warlods and even the Taleban to arrange safe travels for supply convoys of theirs. At the same time they make claims about how determined they are to fight a war, to defeat the enemy, and demand the Afghan president to battle corruption and a culture of bribery.

No wonder that the general "went mad" - at least as long as he has not ordered these practices. If he had ordered them, this would be an even more important reason to fire him.

A NATO supply convoy was recently attacked near Islamabad, capital of Pakistan. 140 vehicles were destroyed by - according to reports - just twelve attackers. This could not happen near the capital, in this way and style, without the Pakistani (military, ISI) knowing it. Absolutely impossible. Again: no wonder the general "went mad" - his boss is still paying Pakistan huge ammounts of money.

I wonder when they will start to airdrop weapons and ammo on Taliban camps.

06-22-10, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Just read a german news quoting the WP that the American milizary is paying bribery and protection money to warlods and even the Taleban to arrange safe travels for supply convoys of theirs. At the same time they make claims about how determined they are to fight a war, to defeat the enemy, and demand the Afghan president to battle corruption and a culture of bribery.

No wonder that the general "went mad" - at least as long as he has not ordered these practices. If he had ordered them, this would be an even more important reason to fire him.

A NATO supply convoy was recently attacked near Islamabad, capital of Pakistan. 140 vehicles were destroyed by - according to reports - just twelve attackers. This could not happen near the capital, in this way and style, without the Pakistani (military, ISI) knowing it. Absolutely impossible. Again: no wonder the general "went mad" - his boss is still paying Pakistan huge ammounts of money.

I wonder when they will start to airdrop weapons and ammo on Taliban camps.

Obama started paying off Taliban members the moment he took office. That's old news. Obama's answer to the war effort was to use tax payer dollars to pay off our enemy. Sort of like how a small kid will pay their milk money to a bully to save themselves from getting a knuckle-sandwich. Obama is a coward and his little "payoff" strategy is just downright embarrassing for the whole country.

SteamWake · 06-22-10, 04:22 PM

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I wonder when they will start to airdrop weapons and ammo on Taliban camps.

LOL no need to worry about that. I heard a story the other day from a serviceman whom was in an engagement. They called for illumination flares but the request was denied due to concearns of the ordinance either starting a fire or landing on someone and injuring them.

They then called for smoke but again rules of engagement prevented the arty from laying down smoke where it was needed (too close to civvys) and the smoke was put some 100 yards off the target and did little but confuse the situation. Seems the offset was ordered at the last second at the guns themselves.

So yea no raining of weapons, they will have to get them just like they always have... but thats another topic.

Zachstar · 06-22-10, 04:26 PM

And if flares had started the smallest of fires somehow the Taliban would surely enhance to use to make it seem that the US is attacking civvies again. Because of the times we did so and tried to cover it up. Its very hard to trust...

That is why drones are SO SO SO much better for this role. They are so quiet and so long ranged that they can make ABSOLUTELY sure they are attacking a bad guy and have the whole thing on tape clear as day which wards off pressure and scares the hell out of the enemy.

Platapus · 06-22-10, 04:20 PM

Do we have a link to exactly what McChrystal said? The articles I read are what the reporter from Rolling Stones said that McChrystal said.

Before I can opine whether McChrystal violated UCMJ Article 88, I would like to read what he actually said.

06-22-10, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Do we have a link to exactly what McChrystal said? The articles I read are what the reporter from Rolling Stones said that McChrystal said.

Before I can opine whether McChrystal violated UCMJ Article 88, I would like to read what he actually said.

Couldn't be any worse than Obama calling that rap guy awhile back a "jackass" in the media behind his back or comparing his own bowling game to those of mentally retarded children in the Special Olympics - especially when it's not his bowling game that makes him look retarded.

Zachstar · 06-22-10, 04:29 PM

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Couldn't be any worse than Obama calling that rap guy awhile back a "jackass" in the media behind his back or comparing his own bowling game to those of mentally retarded children in the Special Olympics - especially when it's not his bowling game that makes him look retarded.

What does that have anything to do with the comments a military general made?

Oh and careful about the "jackass" note. Almost everyone agreed with him and actually made him more popular for a time. The jackass deserved it and admitted he deserved the comment from the president.

06-22-10, 04:39 PM

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What does that have anything to do with the comments a military general made?

Oh and careful about the "jackass" note. Almost everyone agreed with him and actually made him more popular for a time. The jackass deserved it and admitted he deserved the comment from the president.

I agree the rapper was a jackass to that girl but I didn't need the president to slam him in the media for it. That was Obama just trying to gain some popularity amongst most people who felt the same way about the rapper. I'm not sure about you but I have a big problem with the president using his seat to throw around personal insults at common US citizens. Obama is in the job of public service. I find it far worse for people in positions of trust using their authority to go around attacking common citizens. He's certainly not a king and is certainly not a reincarnation of Christ. He's just a public servant that was elected by a bunch of misinformed sheeple.

Skybird · 06-22-10, 04:43 PM

http://sundance.bside.com/2010/films...o_sundance2010

http://festival.sundance.org/2010/bl...hers_restrepo/

Der Spiegel had a German essay about it today, describing it as a very good but depressing movie showing the human suffering in the soldiers and contrasting that with the meaninglessness of their fight. If Spiegel International has it in English in the coming days, I'll ring the bell.

06-22-10, 02:55 PM	#1
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	thorn why don't you say the real reason you dislike Obama that much and be done with it. And Clinton while you are at it. And dont tell me its because of military. 80 days to react to oil spill? 7 mins for Bush? Both are beyond silly statements. To say the least. __________________

06-22-10, 02:57 PM	#2
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	It's been what, 60 days since the oil spill started? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-22-10, 03:40 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,664 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hard to imagine that a general talks like this to a freelance journalist without seeing the risk involved, and without knowing what now is coming to him. Not that I am a big fan of him, from the little I know aboput his Afghanistan strategy I am not, but I tend to assume he did his stunt intentionally, hoping to raise public attention that he would not have hpoped for if he had resigned first, and then made his statements. In other words I think there are things going on regarding the war that make him both hopeless and desperate so that he chosed this PR Kamikaze stunt. This at least makes more sense to me than assuming he was acting mindlessly. Trapped in the Afghan maze. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-22-10, 03:57 PM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,664 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Just read a german news quoting the WP that the American milizary is paying bribery and protection money to warlods and even the Taleban to arrange safe travels for supply convoys of theirs. At the same time they make claims about how determined they are to fight a war, to defeat the enemy, and demand the Afghan president to battle corruption and a culture of bribery. No wonder that the general "went mad" - at least as long as he has not ordered these practices. If he had ordered them, this would be an even more important reason to fire him. A NATO supply convoy was recently attacked near Islamabad, capital of Pakistan. 140 vehicles were destroyed by - according to reports - just twelve attackers. This could not happen near the capital, in this way and style, without the Pakistani (military, ISI) knowing it. Absolutely impossible. Again: no wonder the general "went mad" - his boss is still paying Pakistan huge ammounts of money. I wonder when they will start to airdrop weapons and ammo on Taliban camps. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-22-10, 04:26 PM	#10
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	And if flares had started the smallest of fires somehow the Taliban would surely enhance to use to make it seem that the US is attacking civvies again. Because of the times we did so and tried to cover it up. Its very hard to trust... That is why drones are SO SO SO much better for this role. They are so quiet and so long ranged that they can make ABSOLUTELY sure they are attacking a bad guy and have the whole thing on tape clear as day which wards off pressure and scares the hell out of the enemy. __________________

06-22-10, 04:20 PM	#11
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,380 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Do we have a link to exactly what McChrystal said? The articles I read are what the reporter from Rolling Stones said that McChrystal said. Before I can opine whether McChrystal violated UCMJ Article 88, I would like to read what he actually said. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-22-10, 04:43 PM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,664 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	http://sundance.bside.com/2010/films...o_sundance2010 http://festival.sundance.org/2010/bl...hers_restrepo/ Der Spiegel had a German essay about it today, describing it as a very good but depressing movie showing the human suffering in the soldiers and contrasting that with the meaninglessness of their fight. If Spiegel International has it in English in the coming days, I'll ring the bell. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.