We shouldnt just be complacent...

[algernon]

Regarding wolfpacks. Would other boats join if one found an inbound (juicy) convoy out beyond the Rockall Banks and just stayed in contact, re-transmitting? Has anyone tried?

With SH3 it was possible to make contact reports - especially on the Murmansk convoys - and the Luftwaffe would make an appearance. Different a/c types would show up and attack.

Think I'll give it a go. An inbound convoy as far out as possible, and stay with it. Might be a bit of a chore but we'll see.

With regard to the OP; There IS so much potential in this theater, I agree. Also, it is obvious this program was left unfinished. The lighthouses and cranes don't work, no starshells etc. But the engine is there and I have faith...

{Hmmm just read another post on wolfpacks. They show up but don't join in - they get pounded only. Parallels with my ex gir - never mind.]

And where are my beloved Flower Corvettes?

[mookiemookie]

It's all a moot point now, as there's not going to be a SH6.

[Salvadoreno]

No SH6 and thats whats even worse! Whose going to make another atlantic subsim to include some/all the features that i mentioned in OP. Those features are what make the Atlantic war and Uboat War, and all are left out!!! I cant believe some try to defend the game when its clearly unacceptable to ship a game in this state and leave it to the modders.. The patches did nothing, modders did!

Well unfortunately this is going to turn into another SH5 slam, but i sincerely hope modders can turn this into another Sh3 NYGM or Grey Wolves but with MORE features..

[-Pv-]

Perhaps Grey Wolves will be the game with the features everyone wants, but it takes a large group of talented people to put their shoulders behind it.
-Pv-

[commandosolo2009]

Originally Posted by kylania

Wolfpacks are in.

Goddamit, Kylania It's a fallacy..

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by IanC

I think what most of us expected was a finished game from Ubi, not a fully modded one. But I know, it's crazy to expect things like the gramophone to work out of the box...
Sgtmonkeynads makes sense, without mods SH5 is unplayable, and that just ain't right.

It is what it is. Complaining about it wont change it.

You can continue to complain about it and hate the game.

Or take SH5 for what it is (an unfinished product), add mods and enjoy the game.

Mods will get better and this game will be finished with time.

[clayton]

Originally Posted by Salvadoreno

Ive been playing SH5 heavily modded lately and have enjoying the game. But really... Its just ridiculous to have a Uboat game with all the essentials and musts completely left out. And it seems the community is just fine with that. We SHOULDNT be... I still want to say again that i DO enjoy SH5. It has the POTENTIAL to be a good game, but **** guys it shouldnt need POTIENTIAL....

I started thinking lately and its bothering me now, so im just venting...

Im not going to go over what has already been said, cuzz we all know what the game is lacking. I will mention some things that NEED to be in a subsim game..

Obviously wolfpacks... no... I just cannot believe we can play a German WWII uboat game without wolfpacks.. How did this slip past UBI...


More interactive BdU. From 1940-1943 it would just be so.. SO AMAZING if i leave for my patrol area (gridded square) and suddenly have a radio report from BdU OR another uboat reporting a convoi.. B-Dienst could report of a slow konvoi (SC-###) from Halifax to (insert British Port here) and we could plot intercepts.
Our boat could be sailing to our grid square and BdU could give us a report of a wolfpack forming to attack and that we need to join in! GOD this would fulfill my wildest dreams! I have completed all the things i want to in LIFE, BUT NOT THIS! (kidding)
There could be orders to shadow a konvoi until more uboats arrive.. Then as you sit there you see ships throw up fireballs and u know the battle has begun...
Refueling at sea, actually watching the process (and ability for TC) and being on edge about air raids...

There is just so SO much that NEEDS to be added to a WWII Uboat sim, how can only a FEW of these features be in SH5...

How about playing the lesser known operations?

U-Tankers for one. U-Flaks, Milk Cows.. Mine Layers.. (all could be special missions or you could eeven make careers out of them from 1941-1944)

Special Requests for experienced Captians (different and upgraded boats, NOT a stupid renown system)... Special assignments given to succesful uboat captians (inserting commandoes, channel dashes, support operations, port raiding, bombing of oil fields in America/Carribean)

There is only so much a modder can do, but it shouldnt have to be so heavily reliant on modders. It should be a well polished and great game that could be made AMAZING

It's called Aces of the Deep...

Classic!

[IanC]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

It is what it is. Complaining about it wont change it.

Bending over and accepting it will change things even less.

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

It is what it is. Complaining about it wont change it.

You can continue to complain about it and hate the game.

Or take SH5 for what it is (an unfinished product), add mods and enjoy the game.

Mods will get better and this game will be finished with time.

I agree with you jwilliams, complaining will do nothing (unless you take it to the extreme and protest in front of Ubisoft headquarters or something). I know that SH5 has some serious problems, that is why I have started doing mod work.

Originally Posted by IanC

Bending over and accepting it will change things even less.

I for one, share jwilliams point of view, and I am not doing any bending over. In fact, I am standing up like a man, accepting what was handed me, and working to make it better. So, what jwilliams was saying was not that anyone should just give up and live with something deficient, he was saying "make the best you can out of what you have." Now, if you can find a problem with that logic, have at it.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

I for one, share jwilliams point of view, and I am not doing any bending over. In fact, I am standing up like a man, accepting what was handed me, and working to make it better. So, what jwilliams was saying was not that anyone should just give up and live with something deficient, he was saying "make the best you can out of what you have." Now, if you can find a problem with that logic, have at it.

I'm not going to start arguing about SH5, I'll let the horrendous state of the game speak for itself.
But I will add one thing, let's not be shortsighted here. This is not even about SH5 or mods or "doing the best with what you have". You see, complaining is also called consumer negative feedback, and it's to make sure we don't get another unfinished subsim in the future, either from Ubisoft or others.
If you need me to explain more, let me know.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

It is what it is. Complaining about it wont change it.

Originally Posted by IanC

Bending over and accepting it will change things even less.

How can it change things even less than not changing them at all?

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by IanC

I'm not going to start arguing about SH5, I'll let the horrendous state of the game speak for itself.
But I will add one thing, let's not be shortsighted here. This is not even about SH5 or mods or "doing the best with what you have". You see, complaining is also called consumer negative feedback, and it's to make sure we don't get another unfinished subsim in the future, either from Ubisoft or others.
If you need me to explain more, let me know.

I assume that you contacted Ubisoft and told them exactly how you feel about the "horrendous" state of the game?

Or are you like a lot of the other negative posters in this forum - preferring to do nothing and expecting Ubisoft to have some sort of psychic link to your brain?

I own the game , play the game and have written to Ubisoft explaining their short-comings (IMO)

[IanC]

C'mon robbo, you don't need to actually contact Ubisoft HQ for them to know about the feedback.
But I'm glad you did write them, I might just do that myself.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by IanC

C'mon robbo, you don't need to actually contact Ubisoft HQ for them to know about the feedback.
But I'm glad you did write them, I might just do that myself.

Good man - you should , otherwise they will have no idea of the real reasons you are unhappy with them.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by IanC

I'm not going to start arguing about SH5, I'll let the horrendous state of the game speak for itself.
But I will add one thing, let's not be shortsighted here. This is not even about SH5 or mods or "doing the best with what you have". You see, complaining is also called consumer negative feedback, and it's to make sure we don't get another unfinished subsim in the future, either from Ubisoft or others.
If you need me to explain more, let me know.

I would like you to explain more. There's been very vocal criticism of the last 2 or 3 iterations of the SH series, and it hasn't done a bit of difference.