SHV may be a flop because no one cares anymore

[psykopatsak]

am rather excited about it, but my comp cannot run it probably, and scince im out of money (im a muscician-student and damn instruments and stuff is expensive) my desk wont be seeing a new rig for a while...

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by psykopatsak

am rather excited about it, but my comp cannot run it probably, and scince im out of money (im a muscician-student and damn instruments and stuff is expensive) my desk wont be seeing a new rig for a while...

At least when your position improves you should have a good idea if the upgrade will be worthwhile.....in an SH5 context.

[Solidsnake2234]

You've never seen everyone not wanting a game to come out? Go check the Brothers in Arm's fanbase. No one want's BiA- Furrious Four, to come out besides CoD fans XD

When I can play more than just a Type VII sub, I'll express a greater interest in SH5. It seems like a fine title, with a lot of promise, but the previous two games offer much more variety at the moment. I would buy an expansion pack in a heartbeat if it included more subs. Still, when I feel like a little Type VII action, it's nice to have SH5 at the ready.

Unfortunately, I feel that we are somehow in the position of a young gal who was just being cheated by his fiancee before the step to the altar. We cannot do something about it, the same way she can't, we'll just have to accept it. And my personal way of accepting that will be just not buying the game, just sticking to the old fashioned SH3+GWX and hope that someday GWX4 will be alive and I can play SH4/GWX4 as well.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

It's obvious that developers don't give a ... something about all these posts in subsim forums [...]

Totally wrong. What's obvious to me is that a lot of you newbies to Subsim love to criticise the devs, and say they don't care, and insult their hard work, without even knowing squat about them. I direcly blame Ubi for the big stuff and its consequences. I'm sure that, if all the current SH5 team was an indie team, we wouldn't be having lots of these discussions.

Cheers

Originally Posted by martes86

Totally wrong. What's obvious to me is that a lot of you newbies to Subsim love to criticise the devs, and say they don't care, and insult their hard work, without even knowing squat about them.

With no intention to offend, I wonder if you are playing SH3 on "easy" or on "moderate" level ... Because you can fully understand all these frustrations that are emerging from the way SH5 will look and will feel only if you are playing on "realistic" level and beyond (with no map contacts update) ... Isn't that obvious that the game will be less sim and more arcade than SH3?

[tonschk]

Without a doubt , I am waiting the 04/03/2010 to buy my Brand New SILENT HUNTER 5 Game

[Greentimbers]

Originally Posted by tonschk

Without a doubt , I am waiting the 04/03/2010 to buy my Brand New SILENT HUNTER 5 Game

Same here

Originally Posted by martes86

Totally wrong. What's obvious to me is that a lot of you newbies to Subsim love to criticise the devs, and say they don't care, and insult their hard work, without even knowing squat about them.

With no intention to offend, I wonder if you are playing SH3 on "easy" or on "moderate" level ... Because you can fully understand all these frustrations that are emerging from the way SH5 will look and will feel only if you are playing on "realistic" level and beyond (with no map contacts update) ... Isn't that obvious that the game will be less sim and more arcade than SH3?

[Egan]

Originally Posted by martes86

Totally wrong. What's obvious to me is that a lot of you newbies to Subsim love to criticise the devs, and say they don't care, and insult their hard work, without even knowing squat about them. I direcly blame Ubi for the big stuff and its consequences. I'm sure that, if all the current SH5 team was an indie team, we wouldn't be having lots of these discussions.

Cheers

Two points I like to make. Firstly, I think that attacking the developers because they happen to work for Ubisoft is out of order, rude and unfair. However, It is also inaccurate to lay the blame for design decisions soley at the door of the Ubisoft executives. There is a growing air of - I dont even know what you call it, protectionism? - towards the devs. Basically I dont believe they are untouchable, as seems to be suggested by various threads and posts I've seen. They are big boys and girls and I for one would like to see detailed and reasonable answers to why certain decisions were made in the development of the game. Constructive critisism can only help to make this game better. Now, As I said, lets not attack them just because they are the more presentable face of a vast and godless corporation but lets also not pretend they were making the worlds greatest and most hardcore world war two simulator before the evil suits dropped in to say 'Hey, this isnt what the kids want! where's the phat lewt at?'

My second point is this: Regardless of what I feel about certain design choices in the game, or the type of anti-piracy measures taken, I think this will be not only the biggest selling edition of the franchise but quite possibly one of the biggest selling sim titles in many, many years. It is far too easy to come to a site like this and belive that it is the whole world. We represent a tiny slice of the market for this game. Good for the devs and good for ubi. Maybe not so good for me but I'm a grown up sometimes and Im sure I'll cope,

[karamazovnew]

I still care about the game. Sure:
- OSP will be crap at first...
- bugs are part of marketing lately (games like Fallout 3 and Mass Effect 2 are raaaare these days)
- probably silly documentation (but I hope to be wrong)
- lots of modding to do...

But I won't resist buying it... no way....I've been waiting for it for tooo long . Plus, I hope to be the first to review it

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Egan

<snip> I think this will be not only the biggest selling edition of the franchise but quite possibly one of the biggest selling sim titles in many, many years. <snip>

Biggest selling sim title in many years... That doesn't mean much really. It just means that they managed to appeal to a wider crowd, ie the casual gamer, and for a sim, that's not really good news.

[Egan]

Originally Posted by IanC

Biggest selling sim title in many years... That doesn't mean much really. It just means that they managed to appeal to a wider crowd, ie the casual gamer, and for a sim, that's not really good news.

I absolutely agree, but the series has been attempting to do that since SH3 came out.

Actually, what gets me the most is that there is no competition to the Silent Hunter Series. MY biggest wish is that we DO get a professional indy outfit dedicated to making a top class title. Lower sales could be offest by higher prices but I don't think that is really any problem. Simmers tend to be an extraordinarily supportive bunch when they feel there is something there to be supportive of. At the very least it would force everyone to up their game.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Egan

lets also not pretend they were making the worlds greatest and most hardcore world war two simulator before the evil suits dropped in to say 'Hey, this isnt what the kids want! where's the phat lewt at?'

I think you would be surprised.