He calls it racism...

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

You lost me.

Good, I was trying to make a funny, which seems to have not worked.

[Letum]

It would be naive to think that quiet racism doesn't exist or that it doesn't
exist amongst political representatives in such a way that it effects their
politics and that should certainly be spoken against when it can be clearly
identified.

That said, I think Carter is making a mistake by not being careful to avoid
mixing up issues of race with specific policies (i.e. H.C. Reform).
It makes the accusations of racism look like counter-arguments about the
policy they have got mixed up in. That's not good for the policy and it
cheapens the issue of racism.

[SteamWake]

Whipping out the race card smacks of desperation.

I saw plenty of black faces in the crowd at washington.

When people are jeeering at Harry Reid and Ms Pelosi I'm pretty sure there white.

Desperation at best.

[AVGWarhawk]

What is strange here is everyone is screaming racism yet Obama has accepted the apology and moved on. So tell me, get rid of Congress or Obama? I vote Congress! Everyone needs a BEER GATE at the White House!

If this is really construed as racism then no matter what anyone says to Obama that is negative will be construed as racism. I think Carter was out of bounds here.

The protagonist of this fable is a bored ex-president who entertains himself by calling out "Racism!" People who hear of it come running, only to find the alarms are false and that they had wasted their time. When the ex-president is actually confronted by racism, the people will not believe his cries.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The level of totally derailed hostility and almost irrational hate tirades against Obama,

I think this perception is way out of line although I can see why you would feel that way seeing as how the media portrays the crowds.

In fact I have first hand knowledge of the crowds attitude at the washington march and I can say that it was not hostile nor irrational. In fact they were quite upbeat, friendly, and resolute.

Your being played, and played quite well I might add.

Besides its Jimmy Carter for christs sake. Where did they find him to trott out on this issue?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

The protagonist of this fable is a bored ex-president who entertains himself by calling out "Racism!" People who hear of it come running, only to find the alarms are false and that they had wasted their time. When the ex-president is actually confronted by racism, the people will not believe his cries.

Crying wolf as it were.

[AVGWarhawk]

Besides its Jimmy Carter for christs sake. Where did they find him to trott out on this issue?

Exactly. I would not look for advise from Carter on what laundry detergent to use. He is that bad and that out of touch not only when he ran the country into the ground for 4 years but even today.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

... and I think since quite a while now that that assessment is absolutely right. The level of totally derailed hostility and almost irrational hate tirades against Obama, comparing him to the worst criminals and massmurderes in the history of mankind, cannot be just differing opinion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8258011.stm

What you see in many pictures about opposition to Obama, his policy or his person, often is nothing else but unveiled hate. That Republicans line up with such sentiments tells you somethign about their political self-understanding and missionary spirit that makes them believe that they and only they have the right to hold power, and that voting against them is almost unnatural.

That there would be angry opposition to Obama, was to be expected. But that it reaches that far, would bturn so shamelessly public and unhidden, becomes so unforgivingly hostile and irrational and hysteric, is a big desillusionment about the United States's freedom and political culture.



Somebody who abuses his freedoms for such excesses as we see in the opposition to Obama, must accept the question if he is really ripe enogh to deserve them.

Welcome to the land of politcal double standards.. where one is a hero for displaying hostility against Bush and Israel, and a racist for criticing Obama.


Pictures from:

http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20090816

And no, I am no big Obama fan, I see his record so far very critically, and in parts as misled and dangerous. I always said he is a great speaker, but as a political acxtor is overestimated, so that he necessarily must fail. and in parts that is his own guilt, since he certainly helped to push expectations up beyond what was reasonable.

And that, would make you for some on the fringe left a... wait for it... a racist.

[AVGWarhawk]

Dang Thomen....you pretty much nailed it on the head. Double standard certainly. We will chalk it up to the long term memory loss that Americans seem to have inherited through the years. We will chalk it up to complete memory loss and babblings of an old man named Jimmy Carter.

Someone has gone off the reservation when it comes to the narrative of what racism is all about. Oops, I used the word reservation.

[roman2440]

When I see a promenent democrat decry a republican outburst as racism, all I really see is a fearfull group that realizes that outburst has got their dream boy by the balls. I see a last ditch effort to detract from the validity of the outburst.

How can a character truth be racism? His outburst was not directed at a race. Also consider would that remark have been made if Obama was a white president touting the same healthcare plan? I think so. Just look to previous presidential speeches and outburst and other such shenanigans by both sides when the other side is in power. The outburst was a political move and not racially motivated at all.

This is the democrat bandwagon circling around defend one of their own. Trying to cover up truth about Obama's character and his long term intentions in this bill/speech, all in an effort to preserve the power of the democratic party.

[SteamWake]

Jimmay Carter = Prominent Democrat

Wow I knew they had troubles but ... just wow.

[AVGWarhawk]

OK, anyone who cares what Jimmy Carter says please raise your hand.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Jimmay Carter = Prominent Democrat

Wow I knew they had troubles but ... just wow.

Lets give the man some credit. Jimmy Carter is often refered to as our worst president, and in that respect he is prominent.