'War on terrorism' is over !

[antikristuseke]

Mmmmmm, pointless semantics.
I woult have spent my time more productively wanking than reading this political spin and semantics ****.

[August]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Does war need an 'official declaration' to infact be a war?

That ought to be the case.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Mmmmmm, pointless semantics.
I woult have spent my time more productively wanking than reading this political spin and semantics ****.

Exactly, Sometimes I wish the politico's would spend more time wanking.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

That is what a few select people do here is blame Obama for everything since the election... I just wanted to be first.

Isn't that what happened with Bush? Seriously, from the minute Bush took office he was castigated by the left for crimes real and imagined.

No surprise, the right are doing the exact same thing with Obama.

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Great, I guess it is just a 'police action' now!

That's what it should have been all along.

[drEaPer]

The only thing man learns from history: Man cannot learn from history.

No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.

Those who ignore the human being in their enemies, are enemies of humanity.
Those who fight for peace, but not for the peace of their enemies, are enemies of peace.

Democracy is limping guys.

Originally Posted by Kapt Z

That's what it should have been all along.

Ask yourself...what would this man and his family say? Or the 2999 others? Police action?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Kapt Z

That's what it should have been all along.

Same thing they said about the Korean War...it was a war and not a police action.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Ask yourself...what would this man and his family say? Or the 2999 others? Police action?

I don't think they would care about the term used. Rather, the actions taken are what matters.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Does war need an 'official declaration' to infact be a war?

The term "war" has three common contexts.

1. Legal - As in a State of War which is governed by several international treaties and agreements. Our Constitution states that only congress can declare war. While in a State of War, certain treaties come into effect and others are no longer valid.

2. Emotional - War can be used to express national intention. War on poverty, War on drugs, War on illiteracy. In this context the term war means that "no $hit we are really serious about this". This context has no legal basis.

3. Practical. If you are in the military, stationed overseas and foreigners are shooting at you, Its a frickin war. Try explaining to Korean veterans, or Vietnam veterans that they were not in a war. For that matter our AF and IZ veterans. People end up just as dead in OOTW as they do in a war.

In minor small ways I have been "not at war" and have had foreigners shootin at me... at that point the differences between legal and extralegal terminology is very slight.

My point is that the first and third use of the term war can be confusing. In the first there are treaty implications and in the third they may be other treaty implications. Sometimes there are conflict between them.

I would like the term war to only be used in the legal context.

Like hate crimes? Stupid feel good BS. It is a war wether you like it or not. If you aren't willing to get down in the trenches and get as low as the enemy, you are destined to feel the enemy's wrath.

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Ask yourself...what would this man and his family say? Or the 2999 others? Police action?

I speak for no one but myself as someone who lost three friends and neighbors that day. I say they were MURDERED.

The attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese empire was a act of war.

The attack of 9/11 by a group of religious zealots was a crime.

Oh, and maybe you should ask that man's family what they think of you using a photo of his last moments just to try and win a arguement. I'm sure they appreciated it.

[FIREWALL]

War on Terrorists. ? OK Why not.

We already have War on Crime. War on Drugs. War on Porn.

[longam]

As long as we react they will always have fuel for their fire. Sneak in and just sniper them all without knowing who is doing it and they wont know how to be angry at.

[Aramike]

Oh, and maybe you should ask that man's family what they think of you using a photo of his last moments just to try and win a arguement. I'm sure they appreciated it.

While I neither agree or disagree with the rest of your post, Kapt Z, kudos for this. It's similar to what I was thinking, but couldn't find the words to say. It is a pretty tacky way to attempt a point, especially one so trivial as semantics.