Well Mr. President...

[August]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

The classic head-in-sand approach. Works a treat.

That's not what he said. Some head coach you are if you don't understand the concept of making a team believe in itself.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by August

That's not what he said. Some head coach you are if you don't understand the concept of making a team believe in itself.

Making a team believe in itself, and seperating them from reality are two different things, pal.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Making a team believe in itself, and seperating them from reality are two different things, pal.

said the Vulcan

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Great words. I like them. Unfortunately they don't seem to have been said by Lincoln, nor by anyone of his era.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...oln-quotes.htm

It's also possible that Lincoln never said one of the most famous quotes attributed to him: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."
http://channels.isp.netscape.com/wha...oln&floc=wn-nx

That one really surprised me.

I stand corrected.

Still doesn't change the truth in those words though!

-S

[August]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Making a team believe in itself, and seperating them from reality are two different things, pal.

But nothing in what GoldenRivet said separates people from reality.

Put it this way, if you're right and he's not, then we are already lost. "America is no longer great, we won't see this through, we will not persevere"; is that what you believe?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

No, but those words appear to me to be elements of the "AMERICA **** YEAH" syndrome. In my personal opinion, I'd much rather have a president who tells me just how bad things are without sugarcoating it. But as I said, just my opinion, I dont intend personal offense

[IanC]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Where is all that "hope' you promised?

Is it just me or is Yobama preaching a helluva lot of gloom, doom and fear lately?

the man is an empty box

Umm... are you serious? How long has Obama been in office? Do you realise how long it will take to get out of the mess the US is in?
This is my first time in the General Forum room, and I've already seen a few 'hate on Obama' threads from you. Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong, you just come off as a hate spewing republican. You can bet Obama will be in office for 8 years, will you be ranting for 8 years GoldenRivet? I almost feel sorry for you buddy.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by IanC

Umm... are you serious? How long has Obama been in office? Do you realise how long it will take to get out of the mess the US is in?
This is my first time in the General Forum room, and I've already seen a few 'hate on Obama' threads from you. Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong, you just come off as a hate spewing republican. You can bet Obama will be in office for 8 years, will you be ranting for 8 years GoldenRivet? I almost feel sorry for you buddy.

The people forget - How long was it before they started criticizing Bush? Probably a week. Obama is not starting off so hot and usually the first couple month dictate an entire presidency, so at this rate, he will be lucky with 4 years.

-S

[IanC]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

The people forget - How long was it before they started criticizing Bush? Probably a week. Obama is not starting off so hot and usually the first couple month dictate an entire presidency, so at this rate, he will be lucky with 4 years.

-S

Whuh? Obama is the most popular president since JFK, what are you talking about.
You know what, I can see you guys will drag me into these bizarro arguments, so I'm outta here. You guys keep on hating though...

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by IanC

Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong.....

Uhm... dude - so promising things to the American people and doing the EXACT OPPOSITE isnt wrong? Going on tv and telling a bold face lie to the American people isn't wrong?

For example - no lobbyists in his administration.... boy he lied about that one didnt he.

How about "there are no pet projects or pork in the stimulus bill"? Flat out lie.

In another thread I have put forward 5 things that Obama has done wrong - ie - broken promises he made to the voting public.

For the record - the letter beside my name - is an (I), and I can point out errors in the past administration as well. But I call it like it is - and the guy has started out on the wrong foot.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by IanC

Whuh? Obama is the most popular president since JFK, what are you talking about.
You know what, I can see you guys will drag me into these bizarro arguments, so I'm outta here. You guys keep on hating though...

Most popular since JFK? Says who? CNN? I probably just answered the question right there. Most popular within CNN, but shows me that with the general populace! He barely beat McCain by only a few percentage points!

I get it - most popular outside of the US of A! Canooks from Canada probably like him.

-S

PS. Here is another fallacy in your statement - JFK had no where near the approval rating of Reagan in the 1980's. Reagan had the highest approval rating ever on ever 80%. No other president could touch him. So where are you getting these weird statements?

[Enigma]

The people forget - How long was it before they started criticizing Bush? Probably a week. Obama is not starting off so hot and usually the first couple month dictate an entire presidency, so at this rate, he will be lucky with 4 years.

You forget - Bush had approval ratings in the 90's after 9/11, being supported by both Republicans and Democrats. How they ended up in the 20's is another conversation. After all of President Obama's recent executive orders, he remains a popular President.

Also, he was elected President, so how he could be "lucky with 4 years" is a bit confusing.

[August]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

No, but those words appear to me to be elements of the "AMERICA **** YEAH" syndrome. In my personal opinion, I'd much rather have a president who tells me just how bad things are without sugarcoating it. But as I said, just my opinion, I dont intend personal offense

That was the genius of FDR, he could do that. And what you call a "syndrome" I call a winning attitude, one that served my country pretty well for the past 200 odd years.

In any case it's the concept behind the slogans that counts, not the ones someone used on an internet forum to describe them. The job of the President is to provide direction to the country not sit by impotently bemoaning fate.

[Enigma]

but shows me that with the general populace!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Ga...-Approval.aspx

63% approve.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Enigma

You forget - Bush had approval ratings in the 90's after 9/11, being supported by both Republicans and Democrats. How they ended up in the 20's is another conversation. After all of President Obama's recent executive orders, he remains a popular President.

Also, he was elected President, so how he could be "lucky with 4 years" is a bit confusing.

You forget. 9/11 happened in Sept. Look at Bush numbers before then.

Your second sentence paragraph doesn't make any sense. What is wrong with it?

-S