One for the trekkies! - Page 2

DeepIron · 11-19-08, 12:59 PM

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Looks an awful lot like any of these TV-series they have these days filled with beautiful featureless young faces, plot tailored for juveniles and teenagers. Don't like what I see in that trailer. Looks like "Melrose Place" in space. Und überall diese Milchgesichter...

Is the movie about babysitting in space?

Yep...it is Beverly Hills 90210 meets The Enterprise!

ya know, maybe you've got something there AVG... Perhaps a spin-off series after the movie to hook the "youngsters" and bring back the franchise...

It worked for Superman in "Smallville."

Well, yesterday I read about this and there is sex and Capt Kirk checking out Lt Auhura while she is undressing. My first thought was this is 90210 meets Ster Trek. It seemed to be getting silly. I stopped reading.

The ironic aspect of the whole Kirk and Uhura thing is that they actually did the first "interracial kiss" on network television in the StarTrek series. The episode was "Plato's Stepchildren" if I remember correctly...

MothBalls · 11-19-08, 01:00 PM

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Yep...it is Beverly Hills 90210 meets The Enterprise!

Star Trek - The Academy Years. Join the crew of the Enterprise while they navigate the perils of Star Fleet Academy. Boldly go where no student has gone before.

Phhhttttt....

Why don't they just take it to "The Next Generation" again. Go beyond warp drive and the newest Enterprise has the ability to fold space and explore the entire Galaxy, or other galaxies.

Bring back Voyager and let them have an accident where the fold drive takes them to another Galaxy.... and they disappear forever.

Set up a new station, DS999, on the other side of the Galaxy.

AVGWarhawk · 11-19-08, 01:01 PM

DI, yep...I remember it. I'm 43 and grew up on the reruns.

So, yeah, it is a spin from the early show. Then again, ST was always attempting to address the days social issues but just in deep space.

AVGWarhawk · 11-19-08, 01:02 PM

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Yep...it is Beverly Hills 90210 meets The Enterprise!

Star Trek - The Academy Years. Join the crew of the Enterprise while they navigate the perils of Star Fleet Academy. Boldly go where no student has gone before.

Phhhttttt....

Why don't they just take it to "The Next Generation" again. Go beyond warp drive and the newest Enterprise has the ability to fold space and explore the entire Galaxy, or other galaxies.

Bring back Voyager and let them have an accident where the fold drive takes them to another Galaxy.... and they disappear forever.

Set up a new station, DS999, on the other side of the Galaxy.

Well, we know were Capt Kirk is going boldy were no man has gone before....:rotfl:Just were is that communications officer?

AntEater · 11-19-08, 01:13 PM

Actually, the old series was quite cheesy in its days.
William Shatner ('nuff said), dead Redshirts, sex crazed female aliens, fistfights with dinosaurs with zippers on their backs...
I think the ratio of really great to outrageously bad episodes was about 1:1.
Star Treck is interesting in the way it changed with society.
TOS was still a bit western like
TNG was politically correct, nonviolent (how often I wished Picard would simply blast all those alien idiots to hell instead of negotiating) and racially integrated, even with Androids.
DS9 was in some ways the most interesting, but was still too stuck the conventional storywriting of Star Trek.
Voyager had a great idea but I always wondered how they managed to get their ship shot to hell every episode and get her shipshape again with no noticable change the next episode.
Never saw Enterprise, though.
I watched some DS9 last (Season 6 I think, the one with Nicole de Boer) season episodes on Stage6 before it went down, and was struck by how conventional and predictable even the least conventional and predictable Star Trek show was compared to BSG or even many Babylon 5 episodes.
I hadn't seen any Star Trek show for a few years, I must admit.
Almost no story arcs, always two stories per episode, often one serious, one funny, then a mostly miraculous and often illogical resolution of at least one of them, with a moral message.
I know that the producers of BSG were once storywriters for DS9, but apparently I missed their episodes.
To be short, if they ever want to do another star trek TV series, they will have to do some serious catching up because until the very last episode, it seems that ST was still a very old fashioned TV show dramaturgically.

Regarding the "young" crew, Shatner and Nemoy were not teenage stars anymore in the old series, but the whole Kirk/Spock star trek movies except for the first were some kind of "pandering to the baby boomers getting old" kind of sheme.
Now the boomers are getting fewer and fewer and they need new target groups.

One problem with Star Trek (with all SF series) here is bad dubbing. Especially since even a relatively nonviolent series like ST has a lot of military terms in it which german dubbing studios apparently have no idea about.
On the other hand, German TNG never had the nagging question why Captain PicarD was a frenchman with a perfect Oxfort accent.

longam · 11-19-08, 01:42 PM

HD version http://www.startrekmovie.com/?gclid=...FSEeDQoduFOlYw

Skybird · 11-19-08, 03:20 PM

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Star Trek =

"The ship hits the fans", eh?

AVGWarhawk · 11-19-08, 03:37 PM

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Star Trek =

"The ship hits the fans", eh?

Interesting they used the original score and recreated it with the same notes but of course better equipment. The woman singing was dead on.

Rhodes · 11-19-08, 05:07 PM

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Star Trek =

"The ship hits the fans", eh?

Interesting they used the original score and recreated it with the same notes but of course better equipment. The woman singing was dead on.

Yes, the remaster version is wonderfull. You want new star trek? Go here:
http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/

@reallydedpoet, Bond movies are, as the owner of the previous site that I put here, re-imagining the character. Batman was a full reboot of the franchising and worked very fine.
But this new trek movie was always intent to be a prequel. J.J. Abrams said that the movie would focus the academy years of the TOS characters so; it's set on the trek universe that everybody knows.
If he had said that the movie would be a new, XXI century version/vision of Star Trek, that would span to possibly more 2 films and/or a TV show, in a "batmanian" way, there were no question about if the movie would please this or make mistakes about that, in ST universe and continuity.

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-23-09, 01:59 AM

Cant believe I missed this thread

The Bridge looks like it was designed by Apple

Etienne · 03-23-09, 02:34 AM

Yeah... Well... Yeah. I'll reserve judgement until the movie actually comes out, but...

Wouldn't it make more sense to build the Enterprise in orbit?

Usually, when I come up with those questions just watching the trailer, it's not a good sign.

rubenandthejets · 03-23-09, 06:30 AM

I remember way back when "Star Trek the Motion Picture" came out in '79.
The same year as "Alien". Trek was ok, ( an extended dance mix version of an episode with a decent budget ) but "Alien" ROCKED!

Now, thirty years later, it's time to give up. Both franchises have been done to death; no, beyond death (AVP??? WTF???). These shambling zombies need to be decapitated.

I'd rather watch "It Conquered the World" again.

XabbaRus · 03-23-09, 06:45 AM

Hmm is this the same Abrahams of Lost fame...

Think I will wait for the DVD.

03-23-09, 07:01 AM

Hmm, looks pretty bad although I've never been an ST-fan, I do like the first two Alien films though. I remember a clip where in some ST-movie a starship defended whales from a fishing boat. I remember it because the fishermen spoke Finnish, or actually a variant of Finnish called Kven which is spoken in northern Sweden and Norway.

Found the clip on youtube.

Skybird · 03-23-09, 07:20 AM

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Seeing that reminds me why I did not like the trailer. I still think like four months ago: "Melrose Place" in space.

After DS9, Star Trek pretty much was dead.

11-19-08, 01:01 PM	#18
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	DI, yep...I remember it. I'm 43 and grew up on the reruns. So, yeah, it is a spin from the early show. Then again, ST was always attempting to address the days social issues but just in deep space. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-19-08, 01:13 PM	#20
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually, the old series was quite cheesy in its days. William Shatner ('nuff said), dead Redshirts, sex crazed female aliens, fistfights with dinosaurs with zippers on their backs... I think the ratio of really great to outrageously bad episodes was about 1:1. Star Treck is interesting in the way it changed with society. TOS was still a bit western like TNG was politically correct, nonviolent (how often I wished Picard would simply blast all those alien idiots to hell instead of negotiating) and racially integrated, even with Androids. DS9 was in some ways the most interesting, but was still too stuck the conventional storywriting of Star Trek. Voyager had a great idea but I always wondered how they managed to get their ship shot to hell every episode and get her shipshape again with no noticable change the next episode. Never saw Enterprise, though. I watched some DS9 last (Season 6 I think, the one with Nicole de Boer) season episodes on Stage6 before it went down, and was struck by how conventional and predictable even the least conventional and predictable Star Trek show was compared to BSG or even many Babylon 5 episodes. I hadn't seen any Star Trek show for a few years, I must admit. Almost no story arcs, always two stories per episode, often one serious, one funny, then a mostly miraculous and often illogical resolution of at least one of them, with a moral message. I know that the producers of BSG were once storywriters for DS9, but apparently I missed their episodes. To be short, if they ever want to do another star trek TV series, they will have to do some serious catching up because until the very last episode, it seems that ST was still a very old fashioned TV show dramaturgically. Regarding the "young" crew, Shatner and Nemoy were not teenage stars anymore in the old series, but the whole Kirk/Spock star trek movies except for the first were some kind of "pandering to the baby boomers getting old" kind of sheme. Now the boomers are getting fewer and fewer and they need new target groups. One problem with Star Trek (with all SF series) here is bad dubbing. Especially since even a relatively nonviolent series like ST has a lot of military terms in it which german dubbing studios apparently have no idea about. On the other hand, German TNG never had the nagging question why Captain PicarD was a frenchman with a perfect Oxfort accent. __________________ Last edited by AntEater; 11-19-08 at 01:19 PM.

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Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Cant believe I missed this thread The Bridge looks like it was designed by Apple __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

03-23-09, 06:30 AM	#27
rubenandthejets 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 279 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I remember way back when "Star Trek the Motion Picture" came out in '79. The same year as "Alien". Trek was ok, ( an extended dance mix version of an episode with a decent budget ) but "Alien" ROCKED! Now, thirty years later, it's time to give up. Both franchises have been done to death; no, beyond death (AVP??? WTF???). These shambling zombies need to be decapitated. I'd rather watch "It Conquered the World" again. __________________ HMAS Sydney III "Thorough and Ready"

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XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Hmm is this the same Abrahams of Lost fame... Think I will wait for the DVD. __________________

11-19-08, 01:42 PM	#21
longam Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,014 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	HD version http://www.startrekmovie.com/?gclid=...FSEeDQoduFOlYw

03-23-09, 02:34 AM	#26
Etienne Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 695 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Yeah... Well... Yeah. I'll reserve judgement until the movie actually comes out, but... Wouldn't it make more sense to build the Enterprise in orbit? Usually, when I come up with those questions just watching the trailer, it's not a good sign.

03-23-09, 07:01 AM	#29
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hmm, looks pretty bad although I've never been an ST-fan, I do like the first two Alien films though. I remember a clip where in some ST-movie a starship defended whales from a fishing boat. I remember it because the fishermen spoke Finnish, or actually a variant of Finnish called Kven which is spoken in northern Sweden and Norway. Found the clip on youtube.