Dub-yah's Legacy...

[Patboot]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/....ap/index.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7226985.stm
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...41480220080204

It makes me sick to know this SOB is going to draw a pension for the rest of his life after the most disasterous 8 years in US Presidential history.

And your hero Billy is getting paid to shill for his ginch in this election.

[Ishmael]

No! No! According to a Fox News documentary, Bush is the greatest president since Abe Lincoln and some of his speeches are the most visionary ever made. They also said that he's more popular than Lincoln was when Lincoln left office. We all know Fox News doesn't lie. Wait a minute, they went to court in Florida for the right TO lie. But there are a few differences:

Lincoln freed the slaves.
Bush once had frayed sleeves.

Lincoln united a divided nation.
Bush divided a united nation.

Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg Address himself.
Bush wrote a lot of signing statements with help from the VP.

Lincoln had a son who served in war.
Bush had two daughters that were served in bars.

Lincoln was a politician from Illinois who served one term in Congress before becoming President.
Bush...Oh, sorry. Did I say Obama?

Lincoln was an attorney who was licensed to practice before the bar.
Bush will need lots of attorneys to even see a bar.

Lincoln fought against and prosecuted war profiteering.
Bush enabled war profiteering.

Lincoln spoke out for malice towards none and charity for all.
Bush spoke out of malice for all and charity towards none.

Lincoln temporarily set aside habeas corpus.
Bush set aside habeas corpus once and for all.

Lincoln grew up poor and was self-educated.
Bush grew up rich and remains uneducated after Yale.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Who'd pay the council tax on her final resting place ?

In the words of my dad:

"Ah well, if the public's got any sense, they'll tell them just where they can shove that"

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by Ishmael

Lincoln freed the slaves.
Bush once had frayed sleeves.

A very well known fact with the Emancipation Proclamation was that he didn't free all of the slaves. It was a morale booster for the Union army to push thru the Confederacy as the Emanicpation clearly states that slaves in rebellion states under Union control will be freed.

Originally Posted by Ishmael

Lincoln united a divided nation.
Bush divided a united nation.

Well after 9/11, the nation was united and firm to the resolve of defeating terror. If you want to get to the root...look at the approval ratings for Congress as they are worse than Bush.

Originally Posted by Ishmael

Lincoln was a politician from Illinois who served one term in Congress before becoming President.
Bush...Oh, sorry. Did I say Obama?

Funny...Clinton was a governor of Arkansas and almost a nobody during the early primaries until he got news coverage about all of his legal issues going on at the time.

Originally Posted by Ishmael

Lincoln temporarily set aside habeas corpus.
Bush set aside habeas corpus once and for all.
.

Are you forgetting the ground work of President Clinton in the AEDPA after Oklahoma City Bombing? I remember standing watch in Bangor when this happened...we were at hightened security looking out for vans and moving trucks.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Who'd pay the council tax on her final resting place ?

More to the point we will all be paying for a full blown state funeral for that fart Tony Blair, I can just see it coming.

[Ishmael]

Originally Posted by sonar732

A very well known fact with the Emancipation Proclamation was that he didn't free all of the slaves. It was a morale booster for the Union army to push thru the Confederacy as the Emanicpation clearly states that slaves in rebellion states under Union control will be freed.

While true that he only freed slaves in states in rebellion, he did sign the order freeing them.

Well after 9/11, the nation was united and firm to the resolve of defeating terror. If you want to get to the root...look at the approval ratings for Congress as they are worse than Bush.

Did Congress lie to itself to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq or did the Bush White House? I will admit they may have lied to themselves that Bush was an honest man.

Funny...Clinton was a governor of Arkansas and almost a nobody during the early primaries until he got news coverage about all of his legal issues going on at the time.

I have no love for the Clintons as I see them as the kinder. gentler face of the corporatist New world Order.

Are you forgetting the ground work of President Clinton in the AEDPA after Oklahoma City Bombing? I remember standing watch in Bangor when this happened...we were at hightened security looking out for vans and moving trucks.

See above answer. Just as Bill stopped investigations into Republican chicanery during the Reagan and Bush 41 years, If HRC is elected, I expect her to pardon Bush/Cheney/et all to "heal the nation".

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by Ishmael

While true that he only freed slaves in states in rebellion, he did sign the order freeing them.

Even though Lincoln was a very vocal anti-slave man in private, he was vocal about preserving the union in public. His policies reflected the war, both before and after. Before the war, he favored policies that would lead to the eventual extinction of slavery as those policies would've prohibited admission of any more slave states in new territories. Early in the war, he replaced generals in border states who claimed the slaves in their region were free to make sure those states would side with the union cause. Late in the war, he gave a speech on 'limited' sufferage.

For all of those who complain about Bush sidestepping the Congress on numberous issues...Lincoln did the same here.

Originally Posted by Ishmael

Did Congress lie to itself to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq or did the Bush White House? I will admit they may have lied to themselves that Bush was an honest man.

Congress looked at the same intelligence...hence partly shown in their approval ratings and why the Democrats are playing possum like Kerry did in the last election on whether or not they should've voted for or supported the war from the start. Not because they "didn't know", but because they did know and are looking at their political future to back track on their stances...hence why McCain is the only one who's been upfront about his stance on the war from the start.

Now...as I've said multiple times in other discussions...this will be my last post regarding as I'm sure there will be 5 rebutals soon to be in this topic.

EDIT: ...Last time I checked...there was no reason for the Bush administration to be pardoned. Bad policies, according to some, isn't grounds for impeachment.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

More to the point we will all be paying for a full blown state funeral for that fart Tony Blair, I can just see it coming.

When ?

[Ishmael]

Originally Posted by sonar732

Even though Lincoln was a very vocal anti-slave man in private, he was vocal about preserving the union in public. His policies reflected the war, both before and after. Before the war, he favored policies that would lead to the eventual extinction of slavery as those policies would've prohibited admission of any more slave states in new territories. Early in the war, he replaced generals in border states who claimed the slaves in their region were free to make sure those states would side with the union cause. Late in the war, he gave a speech on 'limited' sufferage.

Good point. Lincoln saw that slavery was economically inefficient in an industrializing society and would have eventually ended due to the inability to compete with modern industry.

For all of those who complain about Bush sidestepping the Congress on numberous issues...Lincoln did the same here.

Congress looked at the same intelligence...hence partly shown in their approval ratings and why the Democrats are playing possum like Kerry did in the last election on whether or not they should've voted for or supported the war from the start. Not because they "didn't know", but because they did know and are looking at their political future to back track on their stances...hence why McCain is the only one who's been upfront about his stance on the war from the start.

Now...as I've said multiple times in other discussions...this will be my last post regarding as I'm sure there will be 5 rebutals soon to be in this topic.

EDIT: ...Last time I checked...there was no reason for the Bush administration to be pardoned. Bad policies, according to some, isn't grounds for impeachment.

Lest we forget, the Iraqi intelligence was primarily promulgated by Rumsfeld's Office of Special Plans. When CIA analyses didn't jibe with their "Curveball" intel, John Bolton was sent to the CIA to browbeat and threaten analysts who disagreed. I agree that Saddam was a bad actor and is better off gone. But I also submit that if we had actually had enough troops to keep civil order and actually hired Iraqis from the beginning, we would have kept a lot more of the good will of the local populace and been able to nip most of the insurgency in the bud. By privatising the reconstruction to his friends and their hiring of people out of other countries gave the Iraqi people no stake in the reconstruction efforts. I also think that a reconciliation comission along the lines of the post-apartheid South Africa model would have gone a long way to reducing Sunni/Shia tensions. Instead, they sent on Death Squad Negroponte as ambassador and the strangest thing happened. Death squads appeared on the streets of the cities of Iraq contributing to the ethnic cleansing of mixed Sunni/Shia neighborhoods.

[Brag]

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[Tejas Slacker]

Not happy with George W. Bush?

Blame Me.

I elected him Governor of TEXAS twice and then two times more as
President of the United States. I have no complaints about Iraq because
I think our "Drawing the Line in the Sand" and making a stand there is the most
significant World Event since Korea for being a Watershed moment in History that
in the Long Term will prove to be decisive, strategic and the right thing to have done.

TS

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tejas Slacker

Not happy with George W. Bush?

Blame Me.

I elected him Governor of TEXAS twice and then two times more as
President of the United States. I have no complaints about Iraq because
I think our "Drawing the Line in the Sand" and making a stand there is the most
significant World Event since Korea for being a Watershed moment in History that
in the Long Term will prove to be decisive, strategic and the right thing to have done.

TS

What concerns me, and I suspect a lot of other people is......where will the next line be drawn ? :hmm:

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Ishmael

See above answer. Just as Bill stopped investigations into Republican chicanery during the Reagan and Bush 41 years, If HRC is elected, I expect her to pardon Bush/Cheney/et all to "heal the nation".

That's seems to be the pattern. George W. Bush pretty much put all the Democrat corruption from the Clinton years on the back burner. I think Bush should have pursued indictments myself. Much of the Clinton administration should be in prison right now, especially for the treason displayed from the China technology transfers for DNC cash infusions.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

What concerns me, and I suspect a lot of other people is......where will the next line be drawn ?

Ask Iran, North Korea, Islamic fundies, and a potentially hostile China that question. How far do they intend on pushing. It's really up to them.

[Tchocky]

China an enemy?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

China an enemy?

Yes. If they intend to light East Asia on fire. Reference their Taiwan invasion scenarios.