Idea: Alternate history campaign

[Reece]

@ Redbrow, don't blow a gasket, for crying out loud, I know for a fact that a lot of people don't like seeing Hitlers face plastered on the screen, and the very thought of the Third Reich winning the war (Nazi's) repulses a lot of people, I never once made any nasty remark to you or judged you, just voiced an opinion as to the story you delivered, may upset some people! And if the reason you have come back under a new name is purely because you forgot your password then I appolagize for that! Maybe my post didn't come across as intended, I did say "Correct me if I'm wrong", I probably should have PM'd you to be careful, with your story line, instead of posting. No personal harm was intended, but please understand that although 65 years have passed some still get upset very easily!

[Redbrow]

I blew a gasket. I took some flak for V-Mod. To me Hitler was a major duff.
I think the SS just seemed like a better fit for the SH3 dolls.

below - the typical officer's cap on mission:


below - the officers caps in SH3:


below - the typical look of the SS cap:


below - the reason for the typical SS cap remaining prim and proper - Himmler, described by those who knew him as a meticulous little school master:


below - only the SS would wear caps shaped like this on U-boat patrol:



I suppose I should have removed the beards?

MY POINT: sure on the Russian Front some SS soldiers wore sloppy outfits after days in combat and deep winter. One SS guy was warned that his outfit was so shabby he might be shot as a Russian partisan by mistake. But generally the SS was expected to keep their uniforms 'Himmler SOP'. And so my point here - who in their right mind would do a 4 week U-boat patrol with a officer's cap looking like SH3 caps? Only Himmler would order such a thing.

[Reece]

who in their right mind would do a 4 week U-boat patrol with a officer's cap looking like SH3 caps? Only Himmler would order such a thing.

:rotfl:
Your right, but it looks cool! BTW, I have huge respect for the U-Boats & their crew, even they didn't want to know the politics, just fought for their country as even we would do! I like that picture of Erich Topp, I have a signed copy of it! & have paid good money for a U-Boat commanders cap, still in transit, was a Christmas present, but starting to get a little worried as to why it's taking so long!

I suppose I should have removed the beards?

No way, looks great!

[Redbrow]

Signed by Erich Topp? That is neat. Truth is when I play standard U-boat crews in standard SH3 I try to avoid having officers on board that have caps! I hate those caps. Of course this means I end up at times trading out officers with good qualifications for guys that don't have what I need. Only when I changed them into SS caps did they make any sense - if an alternate reality makes any sense....

And speaking about alternate realities - which this thread is about - I have been trying to come up with another alternate reality where the Prussian Royal family returns to rule in Germany and where Hitler is booted out or made into a joke figure head. You know Hitler gained total power by the skin of his teeth.

Recently while rereading through Padfield's book about Himmler about how near Hilter's move to back the German heavy industrial leaders and American money against the German light and technical industial leaders came to going against Hitler - I got the idea this could be a good point for a new reality. The book mentions that according to the Blond Beast, Heydrich, Rohm's allies (Von Schleicher and Strasser) and their allies such as IG Farben had a plan of making Hitler into just a figurehead, with von Papen as Vice-Chancellor, giving Strasser the Economics Ministry, Rohm the Defense Ministry, and making Prince August Wilhelm (Auwi) Regent. This would seem a good point to derail the Nazi regime just prior to the Night of the Long Knives. Rohm would certainly be a cog that would have to be removed before our U-Boat war, but Rohm, brutal and a sore spot with the generals, was never clever enough to have replaced Hitler. With the Prince as Regent we could have a scenario where the German Royal family is in charge of Germany, allied to England and fighting the Japanese and Italians (certainly most conservative Germans wanted to fight Italy over the Tyrol - something Hitler saw as a waste of time) Heck we could even throw in the Soviets. We could have Japan sign a treaty with Stalin - Japan invades British and French colonies, and France, Britain, and Germany attack Japan and Russia, while Hitler is thrown into a mental institution as the Wilhelm's return to power, now buddies with their blood family in Britain.

Better flag? Sure I like the old Imperial flag. It had style. Of course Prince August Wilhelm was running around in the brown uniform of the SA at that period, as the old Kaiser was hoping to be called back by the likes of Hitler if things worked out. But we would have a number of years for the Nazis to be replaced totally by the German conservative parties.

Or I thought about an alteration starting in WWI. America does not enter WWI, a stalemate and cease fire is declared - then we fast forward to the late 30s and this time Prince August Wilhelm is still Regent, but not wearing SA brown. And we get a new history of the Kaiser's family over Germany - not a bad bunch...




The daughter grew up into being a babe -


Read her book by the way

This way the Germans could be happy - no longer having to white out the center of the Nazi flag, and the other Europeans could feel safe that they were not supporting politically incorrect subs and a Donitz who was a strong supporter of the Nazi Party. As for Hitler, we could have him still, as a court painter for the Kaiser (painting many rooms and doorways). Germany would fight for the GOOD GUYS - the Brits in red hats and the banjo strumming Yanks with cattle drover hats.

The technology would be the same. We have many SH4 Japanese ships now. It would be mainly a Pacific war. We could still have a base in Chile - only this time with American blessings (oh God....). We could help the French and Brits retain their overlordship over their colonies and other holy quests.

But alas - the SH3 enemy AI would still be just SH3 AI.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

:rotfl:
Now now GE
You should know the workings of the campaign files by now
Crack on

Oh dont forget the flotilla cfg to change start bases and assign patrol grids
Interesting idea

:rotfl: He who now talks like a pro, LOL!

GE: No matter how imaginative one is, I think they'll find that they are still restrained by SH3's rigid "go there, stay there, go home", approach. Not much flexibility or variation in the patrol framework unfortunately.

This means as I see it the only real way to create immersion, or enjoyment, would be with an exciting (and apolitical) story to go with the usual "sink stuff". I mean, France is Germany is Chile is Antarctica when it comes to SH3.

And of course, any alternate reality mod would have to come with alternate reality units, like legitimate prototype models and/or straight out fantasy creations. No point having one without the other.

[Reece]

Hitler is thrown into a mental institution as the Wilhelm's return to power

:rotfl:If only that had happened, certainly would have changed history for the better!

Read her book by the way

Please give details, one of my favorite era's, and one of my Heroes, so to speak was Martin Niemoller, first officer on U.151, sister ship to the Deutschland, later commanded his own U-Boat, when ww2 broke out he was thrown into Dachau prison camp for defying Hitler by Goebbels:

I like this version of an alternate reality, I hope you persue it!
I'd better keep this down, don't want to highjack this thread!

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by JScones

:rotfl: He who now talks like a pro, LOL!

I wish
Thats why I still ask you dumb questions

:rotfl:

@ GE

Is certainly do able but a lot of work involved

[Redbrow]

The book is The Kaiser's Daughter: Memoirs of H. R. H. Viktoria Luise, Duchess of Brunswick and Luneburg, Princess of Prussia

It runs around $30 to $60 as a used and rare book.


Check out her Prussian death's head http://news.webshots.com/photo/26945...00532270fQlywo

http://news.webshots.com/album/560236968ywefzn?start=12

Germany can only be described as phenomenal at this time period and most of what Hitler built upon was simply the remains of the old Imperial Germany. How Germany went from having very little in the way of a navy or subs to being one of the most advanced nation with such arms in less than 13 years is quite a story.

Japan was also phenomenal at the beginning of the 20th century, able to beat the Russian navy while only having been shook from its ancient feudal past mere decades before.

[Reece]

The book is The Kaiser's Daughter: Memoirs of H. R. H. Viktoria Luise, Duchess of Brunswick and Luneburg, Princess of Prussia

It runs around $30 to $60 as a used and rare book.

I did a search for the book but found nothing for sale, bit disappointing, won't give up!
Thanks for the links, interesting read!

How Germany went from having very little in the way of a navy or subs to being one of the most advanced nation with such arms in less than 13 years is quite a story.

I'm just glad that he didn't wait for 10 years or so before starting a war, he probably would have been the only one with nukes!
I'll PM you.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Redbrow

The book is The Kaiser's Daughter: Memoirs of H. R. H. Viktoria Luise, Duchess of Brunswick and Luneburg, Princess of Prussia

It runs around $30 to $60 as a used and rare book.


Check out her Prussian death's head http://news.webshots.com/photo/26945...00532270fQlywo

http://news.webshots.com/album/560236968ywefzn?start=12

Germany can only be described as phenomenal at this time period and most of what Hitler built upon was simply the remains of the old Imperial Germany. How Germany went from having very little in the way of a navy or subs to being one of the most advanced nation with such arms in less than 13 years is quite a story.

Japan was also phenomenal at the beginning of the 20th century, able to beat the Russian navy while only having been shook from its ancient feudal past mere decades before.

I believe this was to a large extend at the expense of France. After the (prussian) victory in 1871 the French were forced to pay huge amounts of money and to hand over the disputed territories of Alsace/Lorraine which left an also re-united Germany in her most favourable situation.

This often forgotten fact was also a major reason for the French exorbitance in the Versailles treaty of 1918. France saw this as a pay back they could righteously demand. Lest we forget that the French were not acting without reason or justification of their own.

[GlobalExplorer]

The discussion about Prussia could also be a good starting point for the alternative campaign.

Hitler is removed by coup d'etat by the Prussian military circles. Leadership is taken over by some high ranking general and/or a cicilian like Canaris. As a first measure to normalize the situation, Germany makes peace with France and hands over most of their occupied territories, so the U-Boats do not operate from French ports, and instead use the Dutch colonies of Curacao/Suriname/Indonesia. There are then still many alternatives as to who wages war with who. Even a neutral Britain would be a possibility if hostilities continue with the US / Russia or even Italy.

I would also like to see U-Boat operations from Iceland or some occupied islands north of the UK (Shetland / Faroer). Ireland and Spain are possible candidate for entry in the Axis, and a new run for African colonies offers all kinds of possibilities.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Reece

I did a search for the book but found nothing for sale, bit disappointing, won't give up!

I found a copy listed right here where I live!

Can't afford it though.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...ssia&x=70&y=16

[JScones]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

I would also like to see U-Boat operations from Iceland or some occupied islands north of the UK (Shetland / Faroer). Ireland and Spain are possible candidate for entry in the Axis, and a new run for African colonies offers all kinds of possibilities.

Maybe even New Swabia in Antarctica?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Blasphemy!

I'd say, go buy SH4

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by JScones

Maybe even New Swabia in Antarctica?

I think New Zealand would make a nice base too. Just hard to imagine how the Germans could have got there ..