Idea: Alternate history campaign
 

Lets face it, searching for convoys in the Atlantic is getting kind of old. Having played this game for years now, I am still thinking about what could be done to get myself interested again.

Has anybody considered an alternate history mod? I mean it does not have to be a total conversion, a bit more fantasy concerning the historic tactics would be enough.

The germans might not have captured the french ports, but have bases in Iceland / Africa / South America. The situation could change during the war. At a certain period there could be the opportunity to attack the home fleet in its bases, with reduced patrols in their ports. At another point the Allies are on the offense and are blocking the german ports with destroyers, and even attack with their fleet. Wouldnt it be cool if the patrol would start with the breakout from your base? Possibly you would see battles going on, or you could cross the path of an Allied submarine that lies in ambush. And at the end of the patrol you have to sneak back in.

I just wanted to post this little idea of mine, SHIII modding has become a bit too technical these days, it's more about details and not about the imagination.

Why shouldnt it be possible? Most of these things could simply be done within the campaign layers.

I really like your idea of having the XXI as a workhorse. Seriously, how many people ever got to use it in a campaign?

Blasphemy!

I actually started work on such a mod more than a year ago. Then I realized how much work would be involved (including work outside of my expertise) and decided to do ship modding instead...

Interesting idea, though. Sounds like a lot of work. :hmm:

Edit: cross posted!

Actually, this is exactly what the few remaining uboats at French ports had to do in the late war. Biscay was quite crowded with allied destroyers to pick off any submarines to leave the uboat bases.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D



Been thinking about this for some time.

Once the mods have been forged out, the foundation and glue of all these great mods will be in::|\\

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We will have to find somebody who will do it :hmm:

I love that idea. :up:

:rotfl:
Now now GE
You should know the workings of the campaign files by now
Crack on

Oh dont forget the flotilla cfg to change start bases and assign patrol grids
Interesting idea

Redbrow returneth
 

(note Wave Skipper: my first title was Redbrow until something messed that account up)
GlobalExplorer - Its been done - I made V-Mod in early 2006 - where Germany won the war. A future nazi time traveler returned to Germany in the weeks before the Brits escaped from Dunkirk. He shows Hitler proof why this will lead to the end of the 3rd Reich. Hitler decides to throw everything in to preventing the British army escaping - this causes lots of changes in history and blah, blah, blah (the story was just a back drop excuse to change everything. In V-Mod (Victory mod) U-boat bases were established all over the world by 1943 - such as a secret base in Chile, and another in the Axis Aleutian Base in Alaska (since Japan takes parts of the mainland in Alaska).

Britain falls before the end of 1940:

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...roadgate40.jpg
German Zugkraftwagen of 2nd Motorized Infantry at Broadgate, London.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...hitlerusa1.jpg
Hitler visits the USA after Britain's fall

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...o/hitlerdc.jpg
Hitler visits FDR and throws FDR's war plans for a total loop. Japan, thanks to the time traveler's information decides to delay their attack on Pearl until Dec. 14th 1941, thus catching all three aircraft carriers and sinking them. The Japanese make huge gains beyond what they did in the original timeline - thanks to having all the Allied codes given to them by the time traveler.

But by June 42 the USA is finally at war with Germany anyway.

U-boat bases will be built in the Azores (makes the trip to America a breeze), Iceland, Brazil, Chile, and Alaska - not to mention the Horn of Africa, and finally Iran.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s.../waveskip2.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...chirmjager.jpg
In late 1940, using special data from the time traveler, the SS use their new fallschirmjager units to take care of the Tommy pilots their own way.

Note:
A radio intercept from an unknown British army unit on the 20th adds to our understanding of the event:
“Repeat – we have retaken the airfield. Have captured two wounded Germans who say they are SS-Fallschirmjäger. All the spitfires are beyond repair. The bloody Jerries slaughtered all of our pilots here before we could retake the base! What are our orders now sir?”

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...endekbase2.jpg

Hidden U-boat Base of the 3rd SS Flotilla Wiking in Chile, using a fake Swedish mining complex. 'The Swedes love to mine their own business'

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...tendekgate.jpg

Underwater gate to the secret base in Chile

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...atco/congo.jpg
The Congo gives new meaning to the name Afrika Korps. But after the Germans secure most of Africa and take Cape Town - things go bad for them. The Ruskies launch counter attacks from their roosts in the Urals and retake Moscow. The Americans are able to show down the German bases in the Pacific. Parts of Great Britain revolt and throw off the Nazi occupiers. Hitler is shot in the face by Rommel during a heated argument about why Hitler ordered Rommel' army to allow itself to be surrounded and destroyed.



Donitz takes over the Reich per Hitler's last will and testament. He cleans up the Nazi party and sets Germany on a course near the one the Kaiser would have followed. The new Obergruppenfuhrer of the SS Navy, Otto Skorzeny (who in the real time line tried to design piloted V-1s piggy backed on planes to their attack locations - never was realized) designs in this timeline a Unterseeboot Mistel Projekt



http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...telprojekt.jpg
A way to use captured allied merchants with false flags to move U-boats great distances.


In the end Donitz gives up trying to make peace with FDR and the Brit government - now in Canada - and so he orders Operation Gotterdammerung - nuclear attacks.



1945/5/2: Message from Reichspräsident Donitz to his beloved U-boat crews and officers, I wanted you to be the first to hear of this. Today we pile-drive America into a pit of utter surrender. Last August, Reichszeitstrahlmarschall Göring revealed to me an astounding secret, one that I now share with you. We have all passed this way before in another line of time, in which we were utterly defeated! But Nazi scientists survived that war to carry on with astounding research into time travel. Thus, in the year 2033 they sent a man with amazing computing devices, back through time to early May, 1940. Because of that event, we are at this very moment launching 326 of our newer rockets so as to obliterate the American Eastern Seaboard. Heil Hitler!
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...itybusters.jpg




But the truth was this moving of U-boat bases - while fun an all - was a little like trying to have sex with your lover all over the house - in the end it changed nothing - same old lover - or in this case - same old by SH3 AI.



What bothered me was how while some wanted to play this - most did not because really they are reenactors - like the guys who dress up Civil War and play battle on old battlefields. They are not trying to play a game - they are after pretending to be real U-boat captains in the real war. ANd they go crazy everytime they think a new pixel has been added to the game that somehow seems to make the game more true to life. That's ok. I understand that. Wrong community. Of course in my Mod I made most Brit ships as GENERIC that could be used by several nations (but at the time I did not see too many 3d models and SH4 models had not even come out yet!)


I posted this picture to this forum last month:

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...sterisland.jpg
And no one even seemed to notice it all. So I decided that alternate reality was a dead issue on Subsim and I removed V-mod stuff off the net.



The truth is - my theory of the mod was to force players to get their points by sinking tons of warships. The reason? The Merchants have next to no AI and are like fish swimming in a bucket waiting for you to shoot them with a shotgun!
So I wanted a new game theory: http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/redbr...mod_theory.htm



But even that did not work, cause once you know the warship AI by heart the warships are like fish in a bucket too. Until the hardcoded AI is released for us to play with, all this new skin, new map, new dials, new deck - just is like adding a fancy saddle to a milk-wagon horse.

Still I am trying to find a new way to do something along this line...of helping out the game AI...

Well you get my vote for something like this, at the very least. :|\\

IIRC you were and still are playing in a very touchy area, and was removed, I think posting pictures of Hitler winning the war may upset a few people, I downloaded this over a year ago but never played it, just doesn't seem right.:-? I mean, just imagine everyone discussing how hitler won the war, SS, "how great this is" and what happened to Winston Churchill etc etc etc, on a public forum this wouldn't go down well I fear. This type of fantasy world might be ok in many years to come but I doubt that it would be accepted even now after 65 years! Maybe if you changed the story line not to include Hitler, SS, etc, atleast on the forum. Correct me if I'm wrong.:oops:
Seriously, I would like to see SH3 set back in ww1 days with old Kieser Bill!!:yep:

What a little judge Reece
 

Fact is that was not the reason at all. I forgot my password and the email I had used was no longer mine - I had cancelled it and so trying to get my password seemed impossible. I didn not want to come back as Redbrow2.

But you illustrate what I hate around here. First I am a Zionist for your informnation you little judge. My brother's side of my family are Jews. Second I am an american and I resent people trying to remove our right to free thought and opinions. 3rd, I see on this forum all kinds of Nazi signs, swaskitkas in personal art and signatures. So you must be a hypocrite unless you also attack these other people - or is it that if someoone is your buddy they can display swastikas?

Hitler winning the war? I had Hitler SHOT IN THE FACE BY ROMMEL you goon. I had Donitz (or do you hate him too?) made president of Germany.

You know I get tired of all the PERSONAL ATTACKS this forum has. Up until recently I stayed out of the silly political bs argued around here - until Dec. when on one of my postings I saw two of you goons going after each other on one of my threads. As I recall I mentioned that my orignial thread was to find game answers and not for pimple faced buys to bite and devour one another. The net is full of dis-ers, a generation even caught pushing teens to suicide by forums, chat and so forth. I think the computer screen must drive many people toward aggresion and meaness. Or maybe just a lot of losers find their only life outlet in this stupid medium. People say things to one another that their CHICKEN little hearts would fear to utter to a real man's face.

Hitler is 65+ years DEAD. He is ancient history. He is like Caesar, or Herod. Ancient history. Soooo last century. Get over him. I stated in my accounts about making the silly story what was what. I mentioned that THE ONLY WAY I COULD IMAGINE creating a win for Germany was for a time traveler to return with god-like knowledge of world events - cause Hitler and his team of inefficient Nazi stooges would have been too stupid to win even if they had tried other plans. As for the Waffen SS, had you read my stuff you would have realized it was not made up of blond aryans in my mod. But in fact if you knew much about the Waffen SS you would recall that by the last year of the war many, many navy and german air force men were assinged into the SS because of man power shortages. I bet you are ignorant that some of hitler's admirals, generals and officers were Jews. In fact I'd bet you have a Hollywood view of the Nazis in general. Most of the Nazi dogmas were not invented by them - they were old German. SOme of Hitler's worst statements were just quotes he made of old German leaders, such as Carl von Clausewitz. The more I studied about the Nazis the more I realized they invented almost nothing - it was just old red-neck German dogmas. Even the idea of taking land away from Russia for German farmers was around before Hitler was a man. Hitler was a PRODUCT of Prussian Germany. The Nazi party got its start and funding from the Navy and German Army (and Henry Ford). American money poured into Hitler's Germany after his rise to power.

But in my mod I mentioned that Europeans who do not live in a totally free society should delete the SS mod-section and that is why it was stored in another file.

Is it my name Redbrow? Truth is that is another reason I took the name Wave Skipper - some racists here thought red hair was a perfect proof of me being a Nazi - even though my real hair is black and I am South American Indian.

I get tired of little self righteous judges.

Ok, lets have a little civility here please. I don't think we need to get into name calling: goons, little judge, etc.

As well, if we are going to get into discussing history, then take that discussion over to the General Topics Section.

So for now this thread will remain open, but please keep it respectful, thanks in advance.


RDP