My guess as to why we had 8 years of GW Bush

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

I chose Gore over Bush still would today. Bush won because of the God squad not because he'd do better. Bush and Kerry? Would have been nice if both were lined out but nobody votes a "war time president" out.
Everyone said the youth vote would turn out. They didn't. They are saying it now with Obama. I really, really hope they don't.

Everyone elgible needs to vote. The more votes = The harder it is to tamper with the results.

[August]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

God squad

Your bias is showing Brad, and that's not very nice. These "God Squad" people are citizens of this country same as you and entitled to vote for whoever they want same as you.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I expected a Kalifornian to chime in at some point!

-S

Hey, Quiet you, or ill write my Govinator to come down on you like a phase plasma rifle in a 40 watt range!

[NEON DEON]

The reason we had George Bush for 8 years can be given in an unskybirdian two words!

ELECTORAL COLLEGE

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by August

Your bias is showing Brad, and that's not very nice. These "God Squad" people are citizens of this country same as you and entitled to vote for whoever they want same as you.

I know. It was meant to.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Hey, Quiet you, or ill write my Govinator to come down on you like a phase plasma rifle in a 40 watt range!

Oh! I forgot! You've got Arnie on your side! I surrender!! I surrender!!

-S

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Oh! I forgot! You've got Arnie on your side! I surrender!! I surrender!!

-S

Smart man! I mean, i dunno about anyone else, but i woudlnt want to have a throw down with this guy.




Ronald Regan was an actor, and he was from California too. So it must be ok! :rotfl:
I think.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

That was your vote. Not mine.

I vote we burn SUBMAN at the stake...

The man would not have done the best job. What's he done for us that's so great?

He's gotten us in a war that's claimed the lives of 3,500 people and 23,000 limbs (not to mention the 356,000 Iraqi's he's gotten killed), he's damaged our relationships with other countries, he's violated the Constitution, he's stirred up the Middle-East, he's lied over and over again, he's driving the economy into the ground (recession may already be here, it's hard to tell from our poor status), he's removing the middle class from society, he's sparked agression towards us Middle-Easterners (ALL of us; I can hardly get on a plane without having a security guard giving me a look; intolerant bastards), he's possibly going to start ANOTHER war (with Iran...), he's cut our education system's budget (3 BILLION dollars that could have gone to education was sent to Iraq; 1 MILLION was sent to the education system), he's reduced our dollar's value (an object that costs 36.99 POUNDS costs roughly $75.00 American), he's raised taxes, he's bashed the stock market to pieces (as has he the real estate market), he's violating our rights (wiretapping schemes and also his Internet tracking programs), and this list goes on and on!

For ****'s sake! How is that doing the best job anyone could have done?! Hell, a damned ape is better than this man! And that's an insult to apes! They're smarter than this stubborn jackass could ever hope to be!

By the way, you know that the government reads posts like these on Internet forums, right? Anytime someone makes a post like I have (questioning the president), they make note of it. I used to work for AT&T, and it hasn't changed a bit.

EDIT:

The government also checks for searches you make. Anytime you type in something like "terrorist" or "bomb" or "Iran", they monitor it and you. That's how they work. They can read the time off your digital watch. If they wanted to, they could even topple Google with a few keys, a few disks, and a couple of parameters entered into a command box.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I vote we burn SUBMAN at the stake...

The man would not have done the best job. What's he done for us that's so great?

He's gotten us in a war that's claimed the lives of 3,500 people and 23,000 limbs (not to mention the 356,000 Iraqi's he's gotten killed), he's damaged our relationships with other countries, he's violated the Constitution, he's stirred up the Middle-East, he's lied over and over again, he's driving the economy into the ground (recession may already be here, it's hard to tell from our poor status), he's removing the middle class from society, he's sparked agression towards us Middle-Easterners (ALL of us; I can hardly get on a plane without having a security guard giving me a look; intolerant bastards), he's possibly going to start ANOTHER war (with Iran...), he's cut our education system's budget (3 BILLION dollars that could have gone to education was sent to Iraq; 1 MILLION was sent to the education system), he's reduced our dollar's value (an object that costs 36.99 POUNDS costs roughly $75.00 American), he's raised taxes, he's bashed the stock market to pieces (as has he the real estate market), he's violating our rights (wiretapping schemes and also his Internet tracking programs), and this list goes on and on!

For ****'s sake! How is that doing the best job anyone could have done?! Hell, a damned ape is better than this man! And that's an insult to apes! They're smarter than this stubborn jackass could ever hope to be!

By the way, you know that the government reads posts like these on Internet forums, right? Anytime someone makes a post like I have (questioning the president), they make note of it. I used to work for AT&T, and it hasn't changed a bit.

EDIT:

The government also checks for searches you make. Anytime you type in something like "terrorist" or "bomb" or "Iran", they monitor it and you. That's how they work. They can read the time off your digital watch. If they wanted to, they could even topple Google with a few keys, a few disks, and a couple of parameters entered into a command box.

Only 3,500 dead? Thats great! Talk about almost no casualties for going to war! That is a drop in the bucket! To put it into comparrison, 9,300 US citizens die yearly at the hands of illegal aliens, so I wish he would spend some more time over here rounding them up and shipping them back to their pathetic countries.

-S

PS. That rest of your arguments don't hold salt. There is no proof on even one of them.

PPS. For watching you with Echelon and the such, that was already in place by Bush's first taking hold in office. You can thank Clinton for the warrantless wiretaps. Bush didn't start it. He just continued it. But you wouldn't know that since you fail to read enough news to know better.

[Ducimus]

Personally, i won't put down Kerry and the other assorted candidates for one reason. Every choice, the whole thing, was one big, steaming pile, of red white and blue, bullsh*t. Would Kerry have done worse? (note its not a question of who'd had done better). I beleive that the truth is, the world will never know. Thats one reason why i think W got relected. We knew - or rather, had an idea - of what BS to expect from him. Kerry was a whole new pile of BS, and generally speaking, an unknown, and there wasnt anyway to tell if his BS would stink worse until we put it in the oval office.

In short - we go with what we know. In this modern day and age, we tend to reelect our presidents.

[Stealth Hunter]

Star-spangled-banner-REPUBLICAN ye are.

Review:

Before Bush, almost every country's inhabitants liked the United States (polls show it). After Bush, hardly one like us (well, there's a couple, but not many).

Wiretapping and Internet monitoring IS a violation of the Constitution under Amendment 1 (Free Speech). Also note he started this war with Iraq WITHOUT Congress' approval (illegal in every respect).

Before we invaded Iraq, Saddam kept everything in line. He kept the terrorists out. After we invaded and took over, the terrorists began to move in. IF we leave, then this weak government that is in office at the moment will crumble, and it will become a terrorist nation (whereas Saddam prevented that... he was our closest ally).

I could pick from the list, but the one that always makes me chuckle is Iran's nuclear program. It's been inactive since 2003. That stubborn ass is just too arrogant to admit he made a mistake... if it was indeed one...

We've spent over a trillion dollars on the war, and we pour trillions into the economy to keep it in good shape. That's a fact (June 2007 had one case in which he put in 500 BILLION; CNN covered it).

Notice everything for the middle class is getting harder and harder to buy? The rich get rich and the poor get poorer. What people like our senators and president are after is money. They constantly give themselves raises while they hardly ever consider the working man. Without us, the US would be NOTHING but an empty spit of land sitting between Canada and Mexico.

Ever sit in an airport and watch the way guards behave to people who look foreign? That's not proof, but it does raise suspicion.

Lying about a country claiming it has nuclear weapons and then trying to deny that he ever said it. Yeah, that's REALLY convincing. Oh, here's a good one: "It doesn't make any difference if we made a mistake . . ." IT MAKES A HELL OF A LOT OF DIFFERENCE! You tell us Iran has nuclear weapons, we find out it doesn't, and you say it doesn't matter? Jesus Christ!

Once again, CNN covered how a PRESIDENTIAL order diverted 3 billion dollars from education to the war in Iraq. That was a few months ago (like November). He gave education a million dollars. Tell me where I lack proof.

http://www.dollars2pounds.com/
Need I say more?

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/30/...s-taxes-twice/
Two birds with one stone: taxes and lying.

Problems on the economy come from financial problems caused from spending billions upon billions on a senseless war.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi..._constitution/
Knocked down a couple birds with one stone there.



Care to continue?

EDIT:

Almost forgot to mention that according to him, the war is over... yet for some reason men keep dying due to terrorist activity...:hmm:

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Also note he started this war with Iraq WITHOUT Congress' approval (illegal in every respect).

......

Tell me where I lack proof.

That's easy enough:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00237

Do you actually believe everything you read at the DU?

[Peto]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Only 3,500 dead? Thats great! Talk about almost no casualties for going to war! That is a drop in the bucket!

Tell that to my son who has to pick up pieces of his friends "no bigger that a hamburger" (his quote). Who has watched squad-mates die in a burning Humvee. Who has been twice wounded himself. And who has to face the reality of killing people.

That's Great? Support our troops you ain't.

Peto and Pissed

[Enigma]

This complete dylussion that Dubya was somehow a better choice than....anyone actually, is really quite ammusing.

quite a track record there, Dubya. You must have been the right man for the job...

As for the OP: I heard the author on a radio interview last night. Disturbing, to say the least.

[Stealth Hunter]

However, that's a governmental site, so it's not surprising they'd put something like that up.

Bush entered the war without FULL approval. History Channel had a talk on it (on a program about Nostradamus; it was the section regarding the WTC attacks), and they included several senators who spoke out against him and said that he did in fact enter the war without approval. Why they brought them on, I don't know.

All I know is that I'll trust their word over a website that the government can change anytime they want it to be. Bush was careful, so besides the words of men, there's no concrete proof.

We could argue this forever, but there's no proof to support my fight. Believe what you like.