SUBSIM Radio Room Forums



SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997

Go Back   SUBSIM Radio Room Forums > Silent Hunter 3 - 4 - 5 > Silent Hunter III
Forget password? Reset here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-05-07, 08:48 AM   #16
sasquatch
Medic
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Kentucky, USA
Posts: 160
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenris_Wolf
Type IX boats are good if

- you want more tonnage at the end of a patrol.
- you want a little more toughness for duking it out on the surface.
- you want a slightly better punch with it's 108mm deck gun.
- you want to kill the incomming litter of catalinas.
- longer range etc.

Drawbacks:

- Detection! You will be detected much easier once they find out you're nearby. Prepare for withstanding long periods of depth charging at near realtime TC.
- It's not a VIIC

Suggestions:

- Switch your strategy and tactics (duh!) if you were used to a type VII. Strike from longer ranges and keep in mind your boat is much bigger and near impossible to hide in scenarios where a clever type VII kaleun would confidently manage to escape.


The Type VII:

Ah what a boat. This is the choice of an artist, not a tonnage hording bonehead. The type VIIC is a far more capable boat once upgraded.

- Medium sized U-boat. Comfy interiors, solid wood panelling, no mails, no telephones. All in all, a smart seawolf unit that's much more effective even though it does not carry all the eels a type IX does. This boat can go places where a type IX simply won't fit!

- Survivability! You can escape all the nasty ASW cheap tricks the tommy's are employing these days. It's much easier to hide your flanks due to the size of your boat. Later you can get a type VIIC/41 boat that has a much thicker pressure hull and you can go way deeper than a type IX can even dream of.

- Due to the advantage mentioned above, your tactics have precise results each time that will give you confidence.

- This boat will save your time by enabling you to escape faster and better and thus return to higher TC and onto the next encounter and victim(s) much faster.

- Your bridge is a familiar, roomy place and with a type VII you feel "at home" if you also happen to like the Das Boot movie.

Disadvantage:

- As I said, if you want more tonnage with little skill, you'll need more eels that only a type IX can provide.

- Don't even think of staying surface a moment longer when an aircraft is spotted or detected. No heavy flak and some fragility means you should avoid them at all costs, even the fat, slow moving "churchill" types.
No, my friend. The TRUE artist uses the Type IID.

- 5 eels, so choose your targets very wisely.

- It's extremely small, so it's hard to spot both above and under the water.

- It's size makes it perfect for port raids I just finished sinking the Nelson in port and survived to tell the tale

- Your surface speed is slower is than the Type VII so you have to make very precise calculations to determine course to intercept.

- You begin to recognize all the names of your small crew.

Cons - the aforementioned eel capacity, smaller fuel tank, and no deck gun. Not having a deck gun is the biggest bummer for me. It really sucks when a C3 doesn't go down with one eel.
sasquatch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-07, 08:50 AM   #17
sasquatch
Medic
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Kentucky, USA
Posts: 160
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427
considering the last type 2 was launched in 1941 as a training boat, a lot of people just consider it worthless to talk about a boat that only lasted 3 years (speaking of 3, how bout them reloads?)

type seven. just because its just the base model (sometimes its nice to be ordinary)

that and im in RN hotspots 24/7 so i need that fast alarm dive time
Don't knock the Type II man. They accounted for over 700 million tons of enemy shipping.
sasquatch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-07, 10:12 AM   #18
Kpt, Otto
Planesman
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London
Posts: 195
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default Type II

I find the type II a good boat to start the war with. I imagine just before the war began I was given my first command and with the latest boats in short supply a type II was provided.

The type II can really give a great start to your game. Because of its limited range you have to think very carefully before using a load of fuel to look for a reported contact, you have to think twice and sometimes the contact is just too far. Also because of its limited armament it means you often land up with realistic tonnage figures. The biggest downside is that it has no rear facing torpedo tube! But that can be challenging.

The type II is also great in the shallow waters off the east coast and its agility is very good.

So for me I always start the war with a type II.
__________________
Kpt, Otto.



My War Diary and Website. . . Here. . .!

Last edited by Kpt, Otto; 12-05-07 at 01:06 PM.
Kpt, Otto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-07, 11:47 AM   #19
Jonathan
中国水兵
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Edmond, OK
Posts: 285
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0
Default

I am stoked to see that the Type II was getting some love...and I agree that not having a eck gun was the biggest drawback.

Also, it is true what they say about getting to know the entire 27 man crew.
__________________
SHIII Game Manual, In-Game Map, and Quick Reference Chart Can Be Downloaded From This Link: http://hosted.filefront.com/jnazari
Jonathan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-07, 12:56 PM   #20
Jimbuna
Chief of the Boat
 
Jimbuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: 250 metres below the surface
Posts: 190,584
Downloads: 63
Uploads: 13


Default

Type IX...every time


__________________
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
Oh my God, not again!!

Jimbuna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-07, 02:54 PM   #21
sasquatch
Medic
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Kentucky, USA
Posts: 160
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbuna
Type IX...every time


The Type IXB is maneuverable as a tank... Good luck sneaking anywhere in it
sasquatch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-07, 05:15 PM   #22
Jimbuna
Chief of the Boat
 
Jimbuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: 250 metres below the surface
Posts: 190,584
Downloads: 63
Uploads: 13


Default

But a tank with range and firepower...and lots of it



__________________
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
Oh my God, not again!!

Jimbuna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-07, 05:24 PM   #23
Brag
Navy Seal
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Docked on a Russian pond
Posts: 7,072
Downloads: 2
Uploads: 0
Default

<---Jimbuna's Wolves singing the hoochie woochie :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
__________________
Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away
Click here to look inside Brag's book:
Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books
Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html
For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/
Brag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-07, 10:39 AM   #24
sasquatch
Medic
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Kentucky, USA
Posts: 160
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbuna
But a tank with range and firepower...and lots of it



If you want range and firepower, transfer to a BB ;0)
sasquatch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-07, 01:49 PM   #25
Jonathan
中国水兵
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Edmond, OK
Posts: 285
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbuna
But a tank with range and firepower...and lots of it



If you want range and firepower, transfer to a BB ;0)

Oooohhhh FACE!
__________________
SHIII Game Manual, In-Game Map, and Quick Reference Chart Can Be Downloaded From This Link: http://hosted.filefront.com/jnazari
Jonathan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-07, 07:24 PM   #26
Sledgehammer427
PacWagon
 
Sledgehammer427's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts
Posts: 2,908
Downloads: 287
Uploads: 0
Default

and dont forget to paint a monstrous bullseye on it, im on the hunt for a BB
__________________
Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer
Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168)
114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed
V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!
Sledgehammer427 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-07, 09:56 PM   #27
iambecomelife
Silent Hunter
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,707
Downloads: 300
Uploads: 0


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenris_Wolf
Type IX boats are good if

- you want more tonnage at the end of a patrol.
- you want a little more toughness for duking it out on the surface.
- you want a slightly better punch with it's 108mm deck gun.
- you want to kill the incomming litter of catalinas.
- longer range etc.

Drawbacks:

- Detection! You will be detected much easier once they find out you're nearby. Prepare for withstanding long periods of depth charging at near realtime TC.
- It's not a VIIC

Suggestions:

- Switch your strategy and tactics (duh!) if you were used to a type VII. Strike from longer ranges and keep in mind your boat is much bigger and near impossible to hide in scenarios where a clever type VII kaleun would confidently manage to escape.


The Type VII:

Ah what a boat. This is the choice of an artist, not a tonnage hording bonehead. The type VIIC is a far more capable boat once upgraded.

- Medium sized U-boat. Comfy interiors, solid wood panelling, no mails, no telephones. All in all, a smart seawolf unit that's much more effective even though it does not carry all the eels a type IX does. This boat can go places where a type IX simply won't fit!

- Survivability! You can escape all the nasty ASW cheap tricks the tommy's are employing these days. It's much easier to hide your flanks due to the size of your boat. Later you can get a type VIIC/41 boat that has a much thicker pressure hull and you can go way deeper than a type IX can even dream of.

- Due to the advantage mentioned above, your tactics have precise results each time that will give you confidence.

- This boat will save your time by enabling you to escape faster and better and thus return to higher TC and onto the next encounter and victim(s) much faster.

- Your bridge is a familiar, roomy place and with a type VII you feel "at home" if you also happen to like the Das Boot movie.

Disadvantage:

- As I said, if you want more tonnage with little skill, you'll need more eels that only a type IX can provide.

- Don't even think of staying surface a moment longer when an aircraft is spotted or detected. No heavy flak and some fragility means you should avoid them at all costs, even the fat, slow moving "churchill" types.
No, my friend. The TRUE artist uses the Type IID.

- 5 eels, so choose your targets very wisely.

- It's extremely small, so it's hard to spot both above and under the water.

- It's size makes it perfect for port raids I just finished sinking the Nelson in port and survived to tell the tale

- Your surface speed is slower is than the Type VII so you have to make very precise calculations to determine course to intercept.

- You begin to recognize all the names of your small crew.

Cons - the aforementioned eel capacity, smaller fuel tank, and no deck gun. Not having a deck gun is the biggest bummer for me. It really sucks when a C3 doesn't go down with one eel.
That last pro is a good point. When you sail on a Type II it really is like you are part of a close-knit family taking a vacation together. A smelly, cramped underwater vacation that you quite possibly won't return from, but I guess the basic point still stands.
iambecomelife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-07, 10:37 PM   #28
Sledgehammer427
PacWagon
 
Sledgehammer427's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts
Posts: 2,908
Downloads: 287
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by iambecomelife
I guess the basic point still stands.
oh how many times have i heard that...

you may have died....but you sank 50,000 tons on that patrol....but the basic point still stands
__________________
Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer
Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168)
114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed
V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!
Sledgehammer427 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-07, 10:49 PM   #29
Mush Martin
Eternal Patrol
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,398
Downloads: 4
Uploads: 0
Default

Aww skrew it.................I prefer my home built




sorry boys I needed a laugh.
M
__________________
RIP Mush



Tutorial
Mush Martin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-07, 10:56 PM   #30
Sledgehammer427
PacWagon
 
Sledgehammer427's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts
Posts: 2,908
Downloads: 287
Uploads: 0
Default

:rotfl: :rotfl:

i think of the dukes of hazzard

"now them duke boys got another slightly sunk problem under their hats"

*hums the horn*
YEEEEHAH!
__________________
Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer
Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168)
114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed
V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!
Sledgehammer427 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.