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Jimbuna · 10-23-07, 03:59 PM

Sad news all round people

To the Brits here....if contracts are lost to tender and transferance of employees results...ask about TUPE (transfer of personal undertakings)....it is a legal requirement now under the Employment Relations Act

The Munster · 10-23-07, 04:13 PM

By all accounts, this was implemented and accepted by this Mob and conditions and contracts were accepted by them. It's the people that came after that are treated like second rate citizens with 'Victorian' working practises and having no leg to stand on and no 'body' to turn to that makes my blood boil !
Personally, I have a choice, walk out but that wouldn't look too good on the C.V. or bust my A**E working month to month.

Jimbuna · 10-23-07, 04:18 PM

It's often referred to as 'withering on the vine' (let the old contracts die as people leave and re-engage new staff on revised contracts).
The workforce should organise themselves and join a Trade Union :hmm:

The Munster · 10-23-07, 04:27 PM

GMB [Ha Ha]

Maggie took all the power away from the Unions and Labour came to power, looked at the Union situation and decided that 'it it isn't broke, don't fix it'
No way were they going to give power back to the Unions even though Labour supposed to represent the working man.
Anyway, never a dull moment with this job .. encountered a rat for the first time this morning and ended up calling on some druggies for their used needles on the afternoon.
Apparently, this Mob runs a service where a druggie can ring up and have their needles removed, prevents them getting thrown out and discarded where they could be available to children etc. Guy No.2 drew the short straw and had to knock on the door and wait for them to answer and hand them over.
Think I'll start a Blog.

Jimbuna · 10-23-07, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Munson

GMB [Ha Ha]

Maggie took all the power away from the Unions and Labour came to power, looked at the Union situation and decided that 'it it isn't broke, don't fix it'
No way were they going to give power back to the Unions even though Labour supposed to represent the working man.
Anyway, never a dull moment with this job .. encountered a rat for the first time this morning and ended up calling on some druggies for their used needles on the afternoon.
Apparently, this Mob runs a service where a druggie can ring up and have their needles removed, prevents them getting thrown out and discarded where they could be available to children etc. Guy No.2 drew the short straw and had to knock on the door and wait for them to answer and hand them over.
Think I'll start a Blog.

So what is it exactly that you do ? I think you once mentioned something about beaches :hmm:

The Munster · 10-24-07, 09:15 AM

I was on the Beaches but was seasonal; they took me on and promoted me to 'spare man' on a month to month basis.

@jumpy, sorry mate, I got carried away and ended up hijacking your thread

Please accept my apologies.

jumpy · 10-24-07, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Munson

@jumpy, sorry mate, I got carried away and ended up hijacking your thread

Please accept my apologies.

lol, no apology required mate

STEED · 10-24-07, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Munson

Think I'll start a Blog.

Get on with it then, better be funny as well.

jumpy · 10-28-07, 02:44 PM

Righto, a little update for you all regarding my untimely redundancy:

The company have agreed to supply me with references that I can vet and confirmation that the position I held at the company is now redundant so I can sign on, keep my house contents and car insurance paid up etc. This is what they are required to do by law.

Now, under UK employment law, because I have worked for the company (on their books) for 2 years and 8 months I have the statutory right to 2 weeks written notice of redundancy. If you recall I may have mentioned that I and my colleague were told verbally on Monday afternoon and expected to confirm by Wednesday the same week.
Because the company failed to notify us in the required time period, I am entitled to be compensated for this - 2 weeks pay in lieu of the 2 week notification period (& for my colleague, she has been with the company for 8 years so current UK law states she must have a weeks notice for every years service up to a limit of 12 years). This payment is to be made on top of my redundancy payment (redundancy lump sum is tax free).

So far the company have tacked on my compensation to my months severance pay, which is taxable. Plus they have not done as I asked and detailed where all of the figures have come from and been worked out for severance pay, redundancy pay, outstanding holiday pay, and the compensation.

The place I worked for is one of, if not the largest refrigeration contractor in the UK. It completely staggers me that they should get the process of initiating staff redundancy so badly wrong. It's not like the people who draw up the paperwork don't know the law regarding this, after all it's their job, damn it. I can only conclude that they think we'll just acquiesce to whatever they say contractually, believing that we think their rules supersede the government legislature concerning employment. In other words, they are doing all of this on purpose so they don't have to pay out or follow the rules if they thing they can get away with it.

I don't want to hound them for making me redundant,far from it, but I will not stand by whilst I get screwed over in procedure for the sake of a couple of hundred quid.

I have a meeting with one of the middle bosses on Monday morning where I hope to iron out the errors in their offer.
As with so many things employees are supposed to be loyal to their employer, but when push comes to shove it's a very different story when it comes to the company's loyalty to do right by their employees.

Fortunately my other half is on the road to recovery following her operation and is doing well, if a little emotionally shaky. Doubly good for me is that her mother works for the Citizens Advice Bureau and has given me a wealth of information about redundancy which has enabled me to see how I have not been fairly dealt with by my employer thus far - also this is good for my colleague who also had no knowledge of the correct proceedings and stands to gain a good deal more in recompense due to her years of service, also being in her early 50's, this knowledge will leave her in a better financial position given that she had intended to stay with the company until retirement and so had no contingency plans to take into account the possibility of loosing her job.

Long gone are the days when you could say you had a job for life. Profitability is the name of the game and that's all that matters to the new MD and our parent company- whilst we were making a healthy profit for them they were content to leave us alone, but now we have this new guy to make even more money for them and the most obvious way to do this is to get rid of staff at all of our branches across the country. The word is that the two remaining draughtsman will have to shoulder the workload which (though the refrigeration business is seasonal; quiet in winter and busy in summer) has not diminished in quantity and if there is an over spill, then the company will employ a temp who know nothing about the job, on a crap wage for one or two days per week to alleviate this.

My personal feeling is that this is a false economy. But what do I know, apart from having to fight for my legal entitlement to being treated in a fair and correct manner, that is?

Wish me luck for Monday and getting shot of this mess and the people who created it

Then I can devote my attention to getting a better job and looking after her for a couple of weeks.

bigboywooly · 10-28-07, 04:47 PM

Yep best of luck to you
Dont let them screw you over
In a union ? They will get you sorted

I suppose thats one thing about the Royal Mail
They have it all down pat
Practice makes perfect

And the PO used to be a job for life if ever there was one

kurtz · 10-28-07, 11:10 PM

Yes been made redundant twice and jumped a few times before I was pushed and as has been observed always at xmas, where those left behind won't strike.

Glad your missus is on the mend. I do feel I need to point out that you pay for the NHS anyway, it makes me really angry that you have to pay twice to get any kind of service.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Munson

Apparently, this Mob runs a service where a druggie can ring up and have their needles removed, prevents them getting thrown out and discarded where they could be available to children etc. Guy No.2 drew the short straw and had to knock on the door and wait for them to answer and hand them over.
Think I'll start a Blog.

Excellent leave them the time to enjoy their recreational drugs.

Good luck, I think you'll find out it turns out for the best.

Jimbuna · 10-29-07, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Yep best of luck to you
Dont let them screw you over
In a union ? They will get you sorted

I suppose thats one thing about the Royal Mail
They have it all down pat
Practice makes perfect

And the PO used to be a job for life if ever there was one

Something that was often said about Local Government too

jumpy · 01-29-08, 01:59 PM

of an old thread as an update:

I start a new job on the 11th of February as a setting out draughtsman for a shopfitting company. I went for the interview this morning and the job was mine in the afternoon.
I'm kind of happy I got a job now, but at the same time I've enjoyed immensely living off my redundancy money and not having to go to work- I've got loads of things done during this time that I'm sure I wouldn't have had time for otherwise.

The salary is good (well, 'ok' when you take into account the number of hours I'll be working) at 18k for monday - friday 8am till 5:30pm and 3:30pm on a friday. Half hour for lunch. So I guess that comes to about 7 or 8 quid per hour. Then there's the tax-mans cut...
For now I'm employed through an agency, so I'd imagine if I get taken on as permanent staff, then some sort of pay-rise will follow. We shall see. Other good point is that it takes about 15 minutes drive door to door, so I'll not be on the road lots.

Hooray for me... er, sort of

Blacklight · 01-29-08, 02:03 PM

It's a sign of the times. The high up's make bonus after bonus for showing profit while at the same time, laying off hundreds of workers.

There should be a law on the books that if a company has to lay off workers or cut their benefits, the CEO's and such don't get their big bonuses and raises.

VipertheSniper · 01-29-08, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpy

shopfitting company

I had to read that twice until I got that you didn't land a job at a shopLIFTING company. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

10-23-07, 03:59 PM	#16
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Sad news all round people To the Brits here....if contracts are lost to tender and transferance of employees results...ask about TUPE (transfer of personal undertakings)....it is a legal requirement now under the Employment Relations Act __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-23-07, 04:13 PM	#17
The Munster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Deepest Dumbria Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	By all accounts, this was implemented and accepted by this Mob and conditions and contracts were accepted by them. It's the people that came after that are treated like second rate citizens with 'Victorian' working practises and having no leg to stand on and no 'body' to turn to that makes my blood boil ! Personally, I have a choice, walk out but that wouldn't look too good on the C.V. or bust my AE working month to month. __________________ GWX Team Member; Retired** GWX Home Page

10-23-07, 04:18 PM	#18
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	It's often referred to as 'withering on the vine' (let the old contracts die as people leave and re-engage new staff on revised contracts). The workforce should organise themselves and join a Trade Union :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-23-07, 04:27 PM	#19
The Munster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Deepest Dumbria Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	GMB [Ha Ha] Maggie took all the power away from the Unions and Labour came to power, looked at the Union situation and decided that 'it it isn't broke, don't fix it' No way were they going to give power back to the Unions even though Labour supposed to represent the working man. Anyway, never a dull moment with this job .. encountered a rat for the first time this morning and ended up calling on some druggies for their used needles on the afternoon. Apparently, this Mob runs a service where a druggie can ring up and have their needles removed, prevents them getting thrown out and discarded where they could be available to children etc. Guy No.2 drew the short straw and had to knock on the door and wait for them to answer and hand them over. Think I'll start a Blog. __________________ *GWX Team Member; Retired* GWX Home Page Last edited by The Munster; 10-23-07 at 04:37 PM.

10-24-07, 09:15 AM	#21
The Munster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Deepest Dumbria Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I was on the Beaches but was seasonal; they took me on and promoted me to 'spare man' on a month to month basis. @jumpy, sorry mate, I got carried away and ended up hijacking your thread Please accept my apologies. __________________ *GWX Team Member; Retired* GWX Home Page

10-28-07, 02:44 PM	#24
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Righto, a little update for you all regarding my untimely redundancy: The company have agreed to supply me with references that I can vet and confirmation that the position I held at the company is now redundant so I can sign on, keep my house contents and car insurance paid up etc. This is what they are required to do by law. Now, under UK employment law, because I have worked for the company (on their books) for 2 years and 8 months I have the statutory right to 2 weeks written notice of redundancy. If you recall I may have mentioned that I and my colleague were told verbally on Monday afternoon and expected to confirm by Wednesday the same week. Because the company failed to notify us in the required time period, I am entitled to be compensated for this - 2 weeks pay in lieu of the 2 week notification period (& for my colleague, she has been with the company for 8 years so current UK law states she must have a weeks notice for every years service up to a limit of 12 years). This payment is to be made on top of my redundancy payment (redundancy lump sum is tax free). So far the company have tacked on my compensation to my months severance pay, which is taxable. Plus they have not done as I asked and detailed where all of the figures have come from and been worked out for severance pay, redundancy pay, outstanding holiday pay, and the compensation. The place I worked for is one of, if not the largest refrigeration contractor in the UK. It completely staggers me that they should get the process of initiating staff redundancy so badly wrong. It's not like the people who draw up the paperwork don't know the law regarding this, after all it's their job, damn it. I can only conclude that they think we'll just acquiesce to whatever they say contractually, believing that we think their rules supersede the government legislature concerning employment. In other words, they are doing all of this on purpose so they don't have to pay out or follow the rules if they thing they can get away with it. I don't want to hound them for making me redundant,far from it, but I will not stand by whilst I get screwed over in procedure for the sake of a couple of hundred quid. I have a meeting with one of the middle bosses on Monday morning where I hope to iron out the errors in their offer. As with so many things employees are supposed to be loyal to their employer, but when push comes to shove it's a very different story when it comes to the company's loyalty to do right by their employees. Fortunately my other half is on the road to recovery following her operation and is doing well, if a little emotionally shaky. Doubly good for me is that her mother works for the Citizens Advice Bureau and has given me a wealth of information about redundancy which has enabled me to see how I have not been fairly dealt with by my employer thus far - also this is good for my colleague who also had no knowledge of the correct proceedings and stands to gain a good deal more in recompense due to her years of service, also being in her early 50's, this knowledge will leave her in a better financial position given that she had intended to stay with the company until retirement and so had no contingency plans to take into account the possibility of loosing her job. Long gone are the days when you could say you had a job for life. Profitability is the name of the game and that's all that matters to the new MD and our parent company- whilst we were making a healthy profit for them they were content to leave us alone, but now we have this new guy to make even more money for them and the most obvious way to do this is to get rid of staff at all of our branches across the country. The word is that the two remaining draughtsman will have to shoulder the workload which (though the refrigeration business is seasonal; quiet in winter and busy in summer) has not diminished in quantity and if there is an over spill, then the company will employ a temp who know nothing about the job, on a crap wage for one or two days per week to alleviate this. My personal feeling is that this is a false economy. But what do I know, apart from having to fight for my legal entitlement to being treated in a fair and correct manner, that is? Wish me luck for Monday and getting shot of this mess and the people who created it Then I can devote my attention to getting a better job and looking after her for a couple of weeks. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

10-28-07, 04:47 PM	#25
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Yep best of luck to you Dont let them screw you over In a union ? They will get you sorted I suppose thats one thing about the Royal Mail They have it all down pat Practice makes perfect And the PO used to be a job for life if ever there was one __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-29-08, 01:59 PM	#28
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Ressurection... of an old thread as an update: I start a new job on the 11th of February as a setting out draughtsman for a shopfitting company. I went for the interview this morning and the job was mine in the afternoon. I'm kind of happy I got a job now, but at the same time I've enjoyed immensely living off my redundancy money and not having to go to work- I've got loads of things done during this time that I'm sure I wouldn't have had time for otherwise. The salary is good (well, 'ok' when you take into account the number of hours I'll be working) at 18k for monday - friday 8am till 5:30pm and 3:30pm on a friday. Half hour for lunch. So I guess that comes to about 7 or 8 quid per hour. Then there's the tax-mans cut... For now I'm employed through an agency, so I'd imagine if I get taken on as permanent staff, then some sort of pay-rise will follow. We shall see. Other good point is that it takes about 15 minutes drive door to door, so I'll not be on the road lots. Hooray for me... er, sort of __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

01-29-08, 02:03 PM	#29
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	It's a sign of the times. The high up's make bonus after bonus for showing profit while at the same time, laying off hundreds of workers. There should be a law on the books that if a company has to lay off workers or cut their benefits, the CEO's and such don't get their big bonuses and raises. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"