If you don't think its a war.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by cobalt

its our foriegn policies that breed that kind of **** not the fact that Clinton didnt go and invade foriegn countries because of a couple of little bombings.

But he did. Hints: Libya, Bosnia, Iraq. I'm sure I've missed some.

Back to the drawing board!

[Tchocky]

Oh good. This argument again.

Blame for 9/11 can be laid at a single door - Bin laden's. It's naive to think the US had nothing to do with the atmosphere that produced Al-Qaeda and the like.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

It's naive to think the US had nothing to do with the atmosphere that produced Al-Qaeda and the like.

Al-Qaeda and the like were not created by the USA. It's pure ignorance to think that. This type of Islamic mentality has been around alot longer than the USA. The USA being in the Middle East is only their latest excuse for their rampaging. Go read a history book.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Al-Qaeda and the like were not created by the USA. It's pure ignorance to think that.

Of course it's ignorance to think that. That's not what I said. At all.

Go read a history book.

Not now, I've got a stack of Calvin & Hobbes to get through

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

But he did. Hints: Libya, Bosnia, Iraq. I'm sure I've missed some.

Back to the drawing board!

Why no bring up that President Reagan let 300 Marines be murdered in a Suicide Terrorist Bombing, and did nothing about it.

Or that President Johnson failed to adequately retaliate for the USS Liberty incident where 3 dozen sailors were murdered, and another almost 200 injured.

Certainly President Carter failed to respond to the Iranians after the capture of the Embassy.

President Ford should have gone to war over the Pueblo.

If all these Presidents had done all these things, everyone would be as scared of us as they should be, and not dare to mess with us.

[baggygreen]

You know what, i think you Americans oughta let the democrats take power, withdraw troops from everywhere and then live happily thinking that they're safe - until the next attack, cos maybe an 'unprovoked' attack will get them to see the light...

actually no it wont, they'll still blame past republican administrations and say "thats ok islamic fundamentalists, have a free plane ticket to your next bombing"

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

But he did. Hints: Libya, Bosnia, Iraq. I'm sure I've missed some.

He said invade. To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.

Back to the drawing board!

Please do.

[fatty]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

You know what, i think you Americans oughta let the democrats take power, withdraw troops from everywhere and then live happily thinking that they're safe - until the next attack, cos maybe an 'unprovoked' attack will get them to see the light...

actually no it wont, they'll still blame past republican administrations and say "thats ok islamic fundamentalists, have a free plane ticket to your next bombing"

Maybe then DHS would start earning its $46 billion.

[Heibges]

This whole thing goes back to the First Gulf War anyway back in 1990/91.

Bin Laden was mad that the Arabs didn't take care of Saddam Hussien themselves, and even madder that they let American Troops into Saudi Arabia. This brought him into conflict with the Saudi Royal Family.

[U-533]

De Nile, it's just not de river in Egypt mon.

[Tchocky]

I just think it's weird that someone had to rely on Bin Laden's word for evidence that America is at war with terror.

*shrug*

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I just think it's weird that someone had to rely on Bin Laden's word for evidence that America is at war with terror.

*shrug*

I thought the same thing, but then I remebered the Clinton administration. A lier by all acounts. Especially those mentioned in the arcticles of impeachment.

The statement is from 1996.

Too busy playing where's the cigar?

Directors of Central Intellegence
John M. Deutch 10 May 1995 - 15 DEC 1996
George J. Tenet 11 JUL 1997 - 11 JUL 2004..........This fella wrote a book recently trying to clear himself of responsibility.

[fatty]

Originally Posted by waste gate

I thought the same thing, but then I remebered the Clinton administration.

The statement is from 1996.

Too busy playing where's the cigar?

Directors of Central Intellegence
John M. Deutch 10 May 1995 - 15 DEC 1996
George J. Tenet 11 JUL 1997 - 11 JUL 2004..........This fella wrote a book recently trying to clear himself of responsibility.

The statement is from 1996 but its thesis originates in a little dust-up in 1991 which Heibges mentioned above me. And like Heibges says on the front page (he's a smart fellow methinks!) several presidents from both sides of the fence have done little to counter the threat of Islamic terror.

Re: Tenet - interestingly, he himself saw that there was a war. Have you read the 9/11 commission reports?

Originally Posted by Staff Statement 11 p.10

On December 4, 1998 DCI Tenet issued a directive to several CIA officials and the DDCI for Community Management stating: “We are at war. I want no resources or people spared in this effort, either inside CIA or the Community.”

Originally Posted by fatty

.

So what you are saying is, that the Clinton administration, regardless of the warning from the DCI, neglected to protect the citizens of the US?

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Anybody feel safe with a Democrat in the White House??? Come on...really?

Most foreigners felt safer with Clinton as POTUS than they feel now with Bush...

And the Clinton government didn't abduct, imprison and mistreat foreign people just because they looked like terrorists. Or because they shared names with one of the 9/11 attackers...