[REL] Increased Crush Depths

[Garrincha]

Good work!!!

But but but... IIRC Richard O'Kane took his boat, USS TANG (a Balao class sub), deeper. He mentions a test depth of 438 ft in "Clear the bridge", and takes her during shakedown deep to over 600 ft. The depth gauge in his sub goes to 600, and 3/4th of an inch beyond that is the pin where the needle rests against. He later does it again during combat...

This raises some questions

1). Why is the gauge in SH4 calibrated to 450 ft. ( I don't have SH4 yet, so i can't comment on the actual gauge)

2). Are there different gauges in different subs of the same class

3). Why would you build a sub, give it a test depth of 438-450 feet, and whilst knowing that it can (safely) go deeper, yet only supply it with a 450 ft clock.

cheers,
Garrincha

PS "Clear the bridge" is a great read btw, you should try to get a copy

[castorp345]

Originally Posted by fire-fox

where did you get the sh4/3 mini tweaker/mod tools from

here ==> http://www.delraydepot.com/tt/sh3sdk.htm

[Captain_Jack]

Originally Posted by Garrincha

Good work!!!

But but but... IIRC Richard O'Kane took his boat, USS TANG (a Balao class sub), deeper. He mentions a test depth of 438 ft in "Clear the bridge", and takes her during shakedown deep to over 600 ft. The depth gauge in his sub goes to 600, and 3/4th of an inch beyond that is the pin where the needle rests against. He later does it again during combat...

This raises some questions

1). Why is the gauge in SH4 calibrated to 450 ft. ( I don't have SH4 yet, so i can't comment on the actual gauge)

2). Are there different gauges in different subs of the same class

3). Why would you build a sub, give it a test depth of 438-450 feet, and whilst knowing that it can (safely) go deeper, yet only supply it with a 450 ft clock.

cheers,
Garrincha

PS "Clear the bridge" is a great read btw, you should try to get a copy

1. I'm guessing the developers created a 450 feet Gauge to simulate the Gato look (See photo above)

2. All the photos I have seen of the Gato Class shows the same Type of Gauge. The WWII Boats I have visited also have the same type. The Photo above is from the USS Drum (Gato WWII). The USS Cavalla has a different set BUT she was converted after the war to a Hunter-Killer Sub and had much of her equipment modernized.

3. Maybe as a Safety Measure?...just a guess

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Actually that was the result of mods. Stock SHIII also had a high crash speed like this does.

I'm still wondering whether to adjust it or not.

Not sure we're on the same page. Stock crash speed is 2, NYGM is 0.1, in my own game in sh3 (orginally) id run a 0.5. When you removed the H.I readout, it was sort of like a guessing game when youd implode, but if you moved to a shallower depth, you took yourself out of danger of imploding.

This doesnt seem to be the case here. It seems like once the act of implosion has started, nothing will stop it. Crash speed only seems to slow it down, with Implosion seemingly an arbitrary decsion by the game This requires more testing, but this is what it felt like in a test i was doing.

[Silverfox18]

Thanks for this, but the download systems are quite confusing. Haven't a clue as to how to download this file without joining or paying for something else. I don't need a phone and I'm not going to start a pay/pal account! Thanks....but ?????

[Kaleu_Mihoo]

lol so now the boats can go so deep as the u-boats did? now, that's what I call "realism" :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Kaleu_Mihoo

lol so now the boats can go so deep as the u-boats did? now, that's what I call "realism" :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Umm, who said that?

The subs go as deep as they're supposed to go. While it may well be that Balao boats could rival U-boats in diving depth, the majority of the subs in the game can only go to maybe 150-170m. That's barely the crush depth of a Type II in SHIII.

[Kaleu_Mihoo]

yeah, 170m are about 558 feet, it seems a little bit to much for those subs. IIRC I went to 530 or 540 feet with the Tench class in SH1, and it had the same crush depth as the Balao. But the other subs...
It must be some reason for scaling the depth gauge only to 450 ft, isn't it? (450ft x 0,3048m=137,16 m)
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your work regarding mods, but this one reminds me of some hollywood war movies, simply to naive to be true
greets

[CCIP]

Actually this is based on perfectly good research. There are documented cases of Gato class boats exceeding the 450 depth in wartime and surviving; the S-class story I brought up last week cited a damaged boat sliding down to 350ft (nearly twice its test depth); then there is the famed incident with the USS Chopper, a Balao-class boat upgraded after the war (the hull, naturally, would have been the same), which sunk in a near-vertical position to 1011ft before blowing ballast and recovering - this is deeper than any recorded dive by a U-boat.

As I said, the only comparison with U-boats I drew is that if U-boats could exceed their tested depth over twice, there is no reason American subs couldn't approach twice their own (and in this mod's case, it is less than twice). I am not aware of any serious flaws in the American hull design.

[Kaleu_Mihoo]

ok, so I must be wrong about the depth capabilities of the US-boats. I thought they could never go so deep as U-boots did, but apparently I was wrong.

[Redwine]

Many thanks !

[AVGWarhawk]

All the download sites seems whacked. Any other place to get this?

[fire-fox]

Hi CCIP just a quick question, with the patch for SH4 that adds the S-42 class as a separt type to the other S-boat are there any planse (if it hasent been done already?) to update this mod to include it in the files. or is the s-42 crush deapth good as is (got flattend at about 380/90 ish FT in an 42 with this mod installed and now preveas damage)

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by fire-fox

Hi CCIP just a quick question, with the patch for SH4 that adds the S-42 class as a separt type to the other S-boat are there any planse (if it hasent been done already?) to update this mod to include it in the files. or is the s-42 crush deapth good as is (got flattend at about 380/90 ish FT in an 42 with this mod installed and now preveas damage)

The S42 uses the data files for the S18.
The Gar uses the Tambor.

Look in the NSS_*.cfg file for the clue.

[fire-fox]

Originally Posted by U-Bones

The S42 uses the data files for the S18.
The Gar uses the Tambor.

Look in the NSS_*.cfg file for the clue.

thanks, didnt have access to me gameing rig (PC) when i posted that. gesed that thayed use there on files as thay have a seperat file.