Post process filtering - Page 2

Deep Six · 03-24-07, 07:22 AM

Yeah it does grow on you....I found it overly dark to begin with increasing the "Gamma" in game does not really work because you then get lighter nights...It's just a matter of fiddling with your CRT/TFT settings....BUT the drawback in this method is it then hands over to the next game you are playing....So you have to fiddle again....The gamma thing is a little twitchy on the slider would have been nice to use the enter key to increase/decrease by one increment...That way it only effects SH4 and not your default TFT/CRT settings.

Deep six

Greggy_D · 03-24-07, 07:27 AM

What exactly does the PPF change or modify? When looking at the game with and without the PPF, I thought it looked similiar. Maybe I'm not picking up on the subtle changes.

Mud · 03-24-07, 07:44 AM

Looks like I'm the only one then with a FPS decrease , about 5 to 7 FPS lesser on a 6600 gt :hmm:
Got the latest drivers and run the DX version that comes with the box.

Mud

stabiz · 03-24-07, 08:02 AM

Nope, I get a performance hit by post processing too.

wetwarev7 · 03-24-07, 08:31 AM

I agree that PPF looks better, but I get a FPS hit with it turned on. One thing I've noticed is that if you have to turn off PPF, turn off sun glare as well - it looks better than with just PPF turned off.

I've got everything else maxed out....

P4 3.0Ghz
1GB RAM
Nvidia 6600 GT
Win XP

AVGWarhawk · 03-24-07, 08:37 AM

@Stabiz/wetwave,

Perhaps the nivida card, you both have the same:hmm: manufacturer. I don't know. The game is smoother for me with PPF on. I shoved in a Radeon X1300 512mb yesterday and it works just swell. I start to slow when in outside view, shallow water with all the rocks and stuff looking at the sub from the outside. The blurry water is cool. Not much of hit on FPS to want to turn it off though.

AVGWarhawk · 03-24-07, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mud

Looks like I'm the only one then with a FPS decrease , about 5 to 7 FPS lesser on a 6600 gt :hmm:
Got the latest drivers and run the DX version that comes with the box.

Mud

The is a newer version for DX is out. Give it a shot. Also, I had a 6200OC card that made the game just unplayble with anything moved up. I dumped that card for the Radeon X1300 512mb. Works just great. Perhaps your 6600 creates some bottleneck for you?

AVGWarhawk · 03-24-07, 09:25 AM

Ok, I download the FRAP program for some screenshots. It shows you the FPS as well. Outside view I get 15 FPS in this particular picture. It is still smooth play. From what I understand, the human eye can only register 15 FPS. With that in mind your target FPS should be over 15FPS. Anyway, this pic was taken. I'm satisfied with the performance concerning PPF. Outside view I get around 25 FPS above the water. It remains the same with active warships/merchants. Inside the sub and map rooms etc I get around 40 FPS. Enough tinkering. I go sink some vessels now!

Mud · 03-24-07, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The is a newer version for DX is out. Give it a shot. Also, I had a 6200OC card that made the game just unplayble with anything moved up. I dumped that card for the Radeon X1300 512mb. Works just great. Perhaps your 6600 creates some bottleneck for you?

I'm gonna get me the latest DX version and a new vidcard is in the planning for next month.
But most new vid cards have dual DVI output and no VGA and I'm still on a CRT 19 inch monitor.
Not checked it yet but probably there is a adapter or something to let me keep using my good old CRT

Edit: great screenie BTW

Mud

malkuth74 · 03-24-07, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mud

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The is a newer version for DX is out. Give it a shot. Also, I had a 6200OC card that made the game just unplayble with anything moved up. I dumped that card for the Radeon X1300 512mb. Works just great. Perhaps your 6600 creates some bottleneck for you?

I'm gonna get me the latest DX version and a new vidcard is in the planning for next month.
But most new vid cards have dual DVI output and no VGA and I'm still on a CRT 19 inch monitor.
Not checked it yet but probably there is a adapter or something to let me keep using my good old CRT

Mud

Yes... It comes with the cards most of the time.

AVGWarhawk · 03-24-07, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mud

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The is a newer version for DX is out. Give it a shot. Also, I had a 6200OC card that made the game just unplayble with anything moved up. I dumped that card for the Radeon X1300 512mb. Works just great. Perhaps your 6600 creates some bottleneck for you?

I'm gonna get me the latest DX version and a new vidcard is in the planning for next month.
But most new vid cards have dual DVI output and no VGA and I'm still on a CRT 19 inch monitor.
Not checked it yet but probably there is a adapter or something to let me keep using my good old CRT

Mud

A adaptor should come with the card. The last two I purchased had them

I do not know where you live but CompUsa is closing 125 stores. The sale price are excellent!

stabiz · 03-24-07, 09:41 AM

Yes, all the cards I have bought have had adapters. In fact, I think I must have 4-5 lying around.

Mud · 03-24-07, 09:50 AM

Thanks for the quick answer guys 'cos I didn't know that , I was a little worried I was forced to buy a LCD aswell.
Although my wife wants me to get a LCD because it uses less power ... women always think about the not important stuff

j/k

Oh and Warhawk we have the Atlantic between us I think

Mud

AVGWarhawk · 03-24-07, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mud

Thanks for the quick answer guys 'cos I didn't know that , I was a little worried I was forced to buy a LCD aswell.
Although my wife wants me to get a LCD because it uses less power ... women always think about the not important stuff

j/k

Oh and Warhawk we have the Atlantic between us I think

Mud

Man, if your wife says got get an LCD...GOOOOOO GET IT!!!! You may never have another chance

Ducimus · 03-24-07, 11:58 AM

Just FYI, i know its been posted before, but this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108747
(as long as you stay withiin the aspect ratio your monitor supports)

Along with post proccessing filter, has really improved things for me.

03-24-07, 07:22 AM	#16
Deep Six Ensign Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England, Manchester. Posts: 235 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	Yeah it does grow on you....I found it overly dark to begin with increasing the "Gamma" in game does not really work because you then get lighter nights...It's just a matter of fiddling with your CRT/TFT settings....BUT the drawback in this method is it then hands over to the next game you are playing....So you have to fiddle again....The gamma thing is a little twitchy on the slider would have been nice to use the enter key to increase/decrease by one increment...That way it only effects SH4 and not your default TFT/CRT settings. Deep six __________________

03-24-07, 07:27 AM	#17
Greggy_D Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 8 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	What exactly does the PPF change or modify? When looking at the game with and without the PPF, I thought it looked similiar. Maybe I'm not picking up on the subtle changes. __________________ Greggy D.

03-24-07, 08:02 AM	#19
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Nope, I get a performance hit by post processing too. __________________

03-24-07, 08:31 AM	#20
wetwarev7 Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Deep Waters Posts: 871 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	I agree that PPF looks better, but I get a FPS hit with it turned on. One thing I've noticed is that if you have to turn off PPF, turn off sun glare as well - it looks better than with just PPF turned off. I've got everything else maxed out.... P4 3.0Ghz 1GB RAM Nvidia 6600 GT Win XP __________________ Guess I should change my sig since SH5 has an offline mode now

03-24-07, 08:37 AM	#21
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,259 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	@Stabiz/wetwave, Perhaps the nivida card, you both have the same:hmm: manufacturer. I don't know. The game is smoother for me with PPF on. I shoved in a Radeon X1300 512mb yesterday and it works just swell. I start to slow when in outside view, shallow water with all the rocks and stuff looking at the sub from the outside. The blurry water is cool. Not much of hit on FPS to want to turn it off though. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-24-07, 07:44 AM	#18
Mud Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 541 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	Looks like I'm the only one then with a FPS decrease , about 5 to 7 FPS lesser on a 6600 gt :hmm: Got the latest drivers and run the DX version that comes with the box. Mud

03-24-07, 09:25 AM	#23
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,259 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Ok, I download the FRAP program for some screenshots. It shows you the FPS as well. Outside view I get 15 FPS in this particular picture. It is still smooth play. From what I understand, the human eye can only register 15 FPS. With that in mind your target FPS should be over 15FPS. Anyway, this pic was taken. I'm satisfied with the performance concerning PPF. Outside view I get around 25 FPS above the water. It remains the same with active warships/merchants. Inside the sub and map rooms etc I get around 40 FPS. Enough tinkering. I go sink some vessels now! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-24-07, 09:41 AM	#27
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Yes, all the cards I have bought have had adapters. In fact, I think I must have 4-5 lying around. __________________

03-24-07, 09:50 AM	#28
Mud Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 541 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the quick answer guys 'cos I didn't know that , I was a little worried I was forced to buy a LCD aswell. Although my wife wants me to get a LCD because it uses less power ... women always think about the not important stuff j/k Oh and Warhawk we have the Atlantic between us I think Mud

03-24-07, 11:58 AM	#30
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Just FYI, i know its been posted before, but this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108747 (as long as you stay withiin the aspect ratio your monitor supports) Along with post proccessing filter, has really improved things for me.