GWX and the AI destroyers - Page 2

Ducimus · 02-09-07, 12:52 PM

Escorts don't ping unless your in their active sonar cone, your giving them a favorable area of your sub to ping off of, and youve been doing both for.. im guessing around 10 seconds. That's the general rule as ive defined it for msyelf after ALOT of testing.

There are variables however.

1.) State of the sea

2.) crew rating of the AI. Crew rating i beleives defines the minimum threshold sensitivies that the AI will react to. Crew ratings vary from 0 to 4. - 0 being a total retard, 4 being elite. The higher the crew rating, the more sensitive they are to their sensors.

3.) Another thing i recall being mentioned in the pass is the alert state of the AI. ITs either passing and in cruise mode. Or it's been alerted and has gotten the idea that your around and now it's sensor values are extra sensitive and it wont take much to trip them.

Obviously i take a very mechanical point of view with the AI.

Iron Budokan · 02-09-07, 07:32 PM

I have a question about the diagrams presented for the convoy attack. Those torps are coming in at an awfully oblique angle. Doesn't that impinge on the impact detonators? No 90-degree impact angles represented there. Or should we be using mag detonators at an acute AOB as represented in the diagram?

GT182 · 02-09-07, 07:43 PM

IB, think magnetic and under the keel for shots like what Duc is trying to show you. It works very well.

Ducimus · 02-09-07, 07:48 PM

This pictures are not to scale. I honestly just eyeball my angle of approach to the convoy. The exact angle i just learned from practice. The angle is a tinsy bit shallower then what i drew on those pictures though.

Ducimus · 02-09-07, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GT182

IB, think magnetic and under the keel for shots like what Duc is trying to show you. It works very well.

I acutaly vary rarely use magnetics. I think the best way to describe the angle i approach at would be a slight oblique.

GT182 · 02-09-07, 08:04 PM

I always use magnetic.... even in late Nov of '40 on up. And even with 90 degree shots, I've had more luck not having duds with magnetic than with impact. Impact seems to bounce off more times than not at 90. And yes, they have plenty of time to arm.... shots way over 500 and 1000 meters. Magnetic can even take out a DD even as close as 265 meters. Honest, I've done it several times. Impact needs 300 or more meters to arm, magnetic doesn't.

Plus duds is checked in my realism. 66%

Ducimus · 02-09-07, 08:13 PM

I use magnetic on DD's, DE's. Their draft is too shallow for anything else. Or in weather 7kt winds or less.

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Impact seems to bounce off more times than not at 90.

That happends when you hit the part of the hull where the side curves round to form the bottom of the hull and keel.

Eagle Eye · 02-10-07, 06:10 AM

If I'm in deep water Ive had great success getting directly in frnt the convoy diving deep 100 meters at least going to one knot and letting the lead escort roll right over me. once he's past start up to PD youll usually be in a position to use all your tubes at the back half of the convoy. I was picked up once like that in totally calm waters.
In that case I would come in at an angle.

Brag · 02-10-07, 08:30 AM

On the other extreme, I approached a convoy at an oblique angle. (night, rough seas) Lead destroyer zig-zagged its way toward me. At about 200 meters "Bernard" let go with a torpedo. The destroyer passed me about 140 meters away, never detecting the torpedo shot or my presence. The escorts got pissed after I torpedoed a couple of ships--they lack sense of humour.

Sailor Steve · 02-10-07, 12:18 PM

Naw, they just don't like German humor. They think it's a lot funnier to see bits and pieces of u-boat floating to the surface.

pythos · 02-10-07, 12:49 PM

I did as was suggested, I came in at angle behind the lead escort (an everts) and got into the convoy, passing just in front of a flower (curiously no arcs represented. (yes I was kinda cheating, I wanted to see if I was getting things right.

To make a long story short, I fired four torpedoes, one salvo at a factory whale ship close by and the other salvo, at another such ship. Then I just dived as deep as I could. On my way down I heard the crumph of the torpedoes going off.

A few minutes later someone dropped some cans, which did very minor damage.

forty five minutes later the whale ship sunk, and the escorts and convoy were far away.

I couldn't persue due to low fuel reserves so I set course for the nearest U-tanker.

Thanks for the hints fellas.

Ducimus · 02-10-07, 01:16 PM

02-09-07, 07:32 PM	#17
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I have a question about the diagrams presented for the convoy attack. Those torps are coming in at an awfully oblique angle. Doesn't that impinge on the impact detonators? No 90-degree impact angles represented there. Or should we be using mag detonators at an acute AOB as represented in the diagram? __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-09-07, 07:43 PM	#18
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	IB, think magnetic and under the keel for shots like what Duc is trying to show you. It works very well. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

02-09-07, 08:04 PM	#21
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	I always use magnetic.... even in late Nov of '40 on up. And even with 90 degree shots, I've had more luck not having duds with magnetic than with impact. Impact seems to bounce off more times than not at 90. And yes, they have plenty of time to arm.... shots way over 500 and 1000 meters. Magnetic can even take out a DD even as close as 265 meters. Honest, I've done it several times. Impact needs 300 or more meters to arm, magnetic doesn't. Plus duds is checked in my realism. 66% __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

02-10-07, 08:30 AM	#24
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	On the other extreme, I approached a convoy at an oblique angle. (night, rough seas) Lead destroyer zig-zagged its way toward me. At about 200 meters "Bernard" let go with a torpedo. The destroyer passed me about 140 meters away, never detecting the torpedo shot or my presence. The escorts got pissed after I torpedoed a couple of ships--they lack sense of humour. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

02-10-07, 12:18 PM	#25
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Naw, they just don't like German humor. They think it's a lot funnier to see bits and pieces of u-boat floating to the surface. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-09-07, 12:52 PM	#16
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Escorts don't ping unless your in their active sonar cone, your giving them a favorable area of your sub to ping off of, and youve been doing both for.. im guessing around 10 seconds. That's the general rule as ive defined it for msyelf after ALOT of testing. There are variables however. 1.) State of the sea 2.) crew rating of the AI. Crew rating i beleives defines the minimum threshold sensitivies that the AI will react to. Crew ratings vary from 0 to 4. - 0 being a total retard, 4 being elite. The higher the crew rating, the more sensitive they are to their sensors. 3.) Another thing i recall being mentioned in the pass is the alert state of the AI. ITs either passing and in cruise mode. Or it's been alerted and has gotten the idea that your around and now it's sensor values are extra sensitive and it wont take much to trip them. Obviously i take a very mechanical point of view with the AI.

02-09-07, 07:48 PM	#19
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	This pictures are not to scale. I honestly just eyeball my angle of approach to the convoy. The exact angle i just learned from practice. The angle is a tinsy bit shallower then what i drew on those pictures though.

02-10-07, 06:10 AM	#23
Eagle Eye Bosun Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If I'm in deep water Ive had great success getting directly in frnt the convoy diving deep 100 meters at least going to one knot and letting the lead escort roll right over me. once he's past start up to PD youll usually be in a position to use all your tubes at the back half of the convoy. I was picked up once like that in totally calm waters. In that case I would come in at an angle.

02-10-07, 12:49 PM	#26
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Sucess I did as was suggested, I came in at angle behind the lead escort (an everts) and got into the convoy, passing just in front of a flower (curiously no arcs represented. (yes I was kinda cheating, I wanted to see if I was getting things right. To make a long story short, I fired four torpedoes, one salvo at a factory whale ship close by and the other salvo, at another such ship. Then I just dived as deep as I could. On my way down I heard the crumph of the torpedoes going off. A few minutes later someone dropped some cans, which did very minor damage. forty five minutes later the whale ship sunk, and the escorts and convoy were far away. I couldn't persue due to low fuel reserves so I set course for the nearest U-tanker. Thanks for the hints fellas.

02-10-07, 01:16 PM	#27
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2