My dumb council - Page 2

STEED · 01-05-07, 08:22 AM

I got an update just heard a resident down the road has been in contact with our councillor, he has stated it's PC rubbish and he did not approve of this. He has suggest to pay no notice to this order or so the bin men have lodge a complaint about how flimsy these bin bags are. The councillor has reported there has been a backlash, it could be dropped within the next two weeks.

PS: I hope so.

STEED · 01-08-07, 01:40 PM

The bin men were fed up picking up the litter from the torn bags today, yep they were angry. Some of us double bagged are rubbish which they were grateful of. No news from the council yet.

Kapitan · 01-08-07, 02:51 PM

STEED dont be worried if the union calls a strike for this be warned when this one happend down my end the strike was 3 weeks long.

But as the saying goes DUSTMEN ALWAYS WIN !

and believe in me its so true!

bookworm_020 · 01-08-07, 07:54 PM

My council here in Australia has the three wheelie bin system, A 120 litre gereral waste bin thats collected every week, and two 240 bins, one for recycing and the other garden waste, whic are collected every two weeks (one this week, the other the next)

The truck are all automated, so they only need the driver (that reduces costs) and less chance of spillage.

This system has also lead to an increase in recycling, which also keeps waste costs down as there is less need for landfill sites.

Venatore · 01-08-07, 08:07 PM

The worst council in Australia is by far the Wagga Wagga Council in NSW. The management at the HQ in the city centre has no idea with regards to how to treat their workers. The theme in this tread is about the rubbish, well you can throw them in it as well !

The Munster · 01-09-07, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

My council here in Australia has the three wheelie bin system, A 120 litre gereral waste bin thats collected every week, and two 240 bins, one for recycing and the other garden waste, whic are collected every two weeks (one this week, the other the next)

The truck are all automated, so they only need the driver (that reduces costs) and less chance of spillage.

This system has also lead to an increase in recycling, which also keeps waste costs down as there is less need for landfill sites.

Sounds like an ideal world but I have a couple of questions over this...
1. what happened to the loaders, unemployed ?
2. what happens if the 'customer' puts the bin in the wrong place so the machine cannot reach it etc., is the bin missed ?

Kapitan · 01-09-07, 01:38 PM

If your doing routes that are around 12 miles in length (as mine are) then your looking for one person about 23 hours to complete that going by how big my round is (2,000+ houses) now it takes 3 of us about 6 hours to complete that 12 miles and if its realy bad like monday 12 hours and there were 4 of us.

Theres no way one driver could do a whole route like that by himself theres loaders out there they may just be pulling out on another road.

It doesnt matter how automated the trucks are the lorry can still only handle 2 wheelie bins at a time, and single bin work is very slow, in the time it takes to do one road using just the bin methord i can easily have done 3 or 4 roads using bags.

The lorries i have worked on you just put the bin to the bin lift and then it does it automaticaly but it can still only handle two bins at a time and takes around 30 seconds to clear before we can load the next two, in which time the lorry cannot move because saftey features means that the lorry must be put into nutrel gear before it can use the bin lifts.

with bags i can load the lorry while its moving and we only have to select nutrel to blade itwhich means we are on the go all the time non stop realy.

As a dustman i know about these things

The Munster · 01-09-07, 04:34 PM

Kapitan, have you heard if you are getting the pay per weight implemented ? I know it's in the pipeline and Cork has it but Eire is in the EU. From what I can gather, Cork's turning into a big rubbish dump as people are throwing their stuff into ditches etc. instead of their wheelie-bin to reduce the charge.

Kapitan_Phillips · 01-09-07, 04:41 PM

All together now!

"Ooh, my old man's dustman, he wears a dustman's hat, he wears cor'blimey trousers, and he lives in a council flat.."

:rotfl:

The Munster · 01-09-07, 04:46 PM

AAH But who sang it ?!

Enigma · 01-09-07, 04:53 PM

Lonnie Donegan.

And, as someone who was born and lived 12 years in the UK, and another 16 years in the states, I must say, with this authority, that "Dustman" is a much nicer name than "Garbage man" or "Trash Man."

bookworm_020 · 01-09-07, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Munson

Quote:

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

My council here in Australia has the three wheelie bin system, A 120 litre gereral waste bin thats collected every week, and two 240 bins, one for recycing and the other garden waste, whic are collected every two weeks (one this week, the other the next)

The truck are all automated, so they only need the driver (that reduces costs) and less chance of spillage.

This system has also lead to an increase in recycling, which also keeps waste costs down as there is less need for landfill sites.

Sounds like an ideal world but I have a couple of questions over this...
1. what happened to the loaders, unemployed ?
2. what happens if the 'customer' puts the bin in the wrong place so the machine cannot reach it etc., is the bin missed ?

The loaders were retrained as drivers as more truck were used, some of them moved into maintaince of gardens and buildings, as well as emptying the rubbish bins that the council provided for the public (there not wheelie bins)

People have to put bin faceing the roadway not more than one metre from the edge and a metre apart from each other. The loader can reach futher than that but rarely needs to.

Bins can be skipped if they are overloaded, or if they caught with wrongly soughted bins (garden waste ing the recycling). If caught they have a sticker placed on them and will not be collected untill it has be cleared by council inspectors

STEED · 01-10-07, 05:12 AM

I rec'd a letter today from the council and here's the news the purple bin bags as supplied by the council are to stay, if anyone fails to use them there rubbish will still be collected, looks like a breakthrough but hang what's this the council will be implementing before the end of the year that rubbish collection will be every other week. I know someone who's council has already done this and he said no one likes it at all. So the upshot is some good news but with a sting in the tail, don't trust the council.

Kapitan · 01-10-07, 09:05 AM

Pay per throw our council has refused to comply with it because in the long run it will create more mess, and whats to stop your angry naighbor putting lead wieghts in your bin nothing, and whats more my council uses bags so how do you wiegh a bag?

Also my council is thinking about doing collection once every two weeks but only when the recycling catches up with the dusts to 50% what my council hopes to achieve is 60% recycling and 40% non re usable waste by 2015. (currently stands 80% dust and 20% recycling and its taken 2 years to get that far)

The dusts will be cut from 22 lorries to 11 and the recycling lorries will go from 8 to around 20.

Melonfish · 01-10-07, 09:22 AM

i'd be all up for alternate weekly collections on the following grounds.
i get my regular black bin, my blue bin is actually collected (paper) i get a green bin for garden waste and i get a brown for plastics.
THEN i'd be happy to do alternate collection.

to be honest the yanks have been doing recycling for how long? 10-15-20 years in some area's?
why the hell are we all suddenly mad dashing around now when we should have been looking at this at least in the early 90's
all this pay per weight crap is tosh, wtf do we pay council tax for? people are going to simply dump their crap anywhere because of this and the council will foot bigger bills to clean it up. mark my words.
hell i bet if it comes to weight charges people won't take their bin out till the last possible moment for fear that your neighbour will top yours off....

i'd just like to say a big "thanks labour gov't" for this fine mess.
pete

01-05-07, 08:22 AM	#16
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I got an update just heard a resident down the road has been in contact with our councillor, he has stated it's PC rubbish and he did not approve of this. He has suggest to pay no notice to this order or so the bin men have lodge a complaint about how flimsy these bin bags are. The councillor has reported there has been a backlash, it could be dropped within the next two weeks. PS: I hope so. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

01-08-07, 01:40 PM	#17
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The bin men were fed up picking up the litter from the torn bags today, yep they were angry. Some of us double bagged are rubbish which they were grateful of. No news from the council yet. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

01-08-07, 02:51 PM	#18
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	STEED dont be worried if the union calls a strike for this be warned when this one happend down my end the strike was 3 weeks long. But as the saying goes DUSTMEN ALWAYS WIN ! and believe in me its so true! __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

01-08-07, 07:54 PM	#19
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	My council here in Australia has the three wheelie bin system, A 120 litre gereral waste bin thats collected every week, and two 240 bins, one for recycing and the other garden waste, whic are collected every two weeks (one this week, the other the next) The truck are all automated, so they only need the driver (that reduces costs) and less chance of spillage. This system has also lead to an increase in recycling, which also keeps waste costs down as there is less need for landfill sites. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

01-09-07, 01:38 PM	#22
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	If your doing routes that are around 12 miles in length (as mine are) then your looking for one person about 23 hours to complete that going by how big my round is (2,000+ houses) now it takes 3 of us about 6 hours to complete that 12 miles and if its realy bad like monday 12 hours and there were 4 of us. Theres no way one driver could do a whole route like that by himself theres loaders out there they may just be pulling out on another road. It doesnt matter how automated the trucks are the lorry can still only handle 2 wheelie bins at a time, and single bin work is very slow, in the time it takes to do one road using just the bin methord i can easily have done 3 or 4 roads using bags. The lorries i have worked on you just put the bin to the bin lift and then it does it automaticaly but it can still only handle two bins at a time and takes around 30 seconds to clear before we can load the next two, in which time the lorry cannot move because saftey features means that the lorry must be put into nutrel gear before it can use the bin lifts. with bags i can load the lorry while its moving and we only have to select nutrel to blade itwhich means we are on the go all the time non stop realy. As a dustman i know about these things __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

01-08-07, 08:07 PM	#20
Venatore Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia:- Sydney Posts: 2,049 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	The worst council in Australia is by far the Wagga Wagga Council in NSW. The management at the HQ in the city centre has no idea with regards to how to treat their workers. The theme in this tread is about the rubbish, well you can throw them in it as well !

01-09-07, 04:34 PM	#23
The Munster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Deepest Dumbria Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Kapitan, have you heard if you are getting the pay per weight implemented ? I know it's in the pipeline and Cork has it but Eire is in the EU. From what I can gather, Cork's turning into a big rubbish dump as people are throwing their stuff into ditches etc. instead of their wheelie-bin to reduce the charge. __________________ *GWX Team Member; Retired* GWX Home Page

01-09-07, 04:41 PM	#24
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	All together now! "Ooh, my old man's dustman, he wears a dustman's hat, he wears cor'blimey trousers, and he lives in a council flat.." :rotfl: __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

01-09-07, 04:46 PM	#25
The Munster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Deepest Dumbria Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	AAH But who sang it ?! __________________ *GWX Team Member; Retired* GWX Home Page

01-09-07, 04:53 PM	#26
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Lonnie Donegan. And, as someone who was born and lived 12 years in the UK, and another 16 years in the states, I must say, with this authority, that "Dustman" is a much nicer name than "Garbage man" or "Trash Man." __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

01-10-07, 05:12 AM	#28
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I rec'd a letter today from the council and here's the news the purple bin bags as supplied by the council are to stay, if anyone fails to use them there rubbish will still be collected, looks like a breakthrough but hang what's this the council will be implementing before the end of the year that rubbish collection will be every other week. I know someone who's council has already done this and he said no one likes it at all. So the upshot is some good news but with a sting in the tail, don't trust the council. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

01-10-07, 09:05 AM	#29
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Pay per throw our council has refused to comply with it because in the long run it will create more mess, and whats to stop your angry naighbor putting lead wieghts in your bin nothing, and whats more my council uses bags so how do you wiegh a bag? Also my council is thinking about doing collection once every two weeks but only when the recycling catches up with the dusts to 50% what my council hopes to achieve is 60% recycling and 40% non re usable waste by 2015. (currently stands 80% dust and 20% recycling and its taken 2 years to get that far) The dusts will be cut from 22 lorries to 11 and the recycling lorries will go from 8 to around 20. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

01-10-07, 09:22 AM	#30
Melonfish XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Warrington, UK Posts: 417 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	i'd be all up for alternate weekly collections on the following grounds. i get my regular black bin, my blue bin is actually collected (paper) i get a green bin for garden waste and i get a brown for plastics. THEN i'd be happy to do alternate collection. to be honest the yanks have been doing recycling for how long? 10-15-20 years in some area's? why the hell are we all suddenly mad dashing around now when we should have been looking at this at least in the early 90's all this pay per weight crap is tosh, wtf do we pay council tax for? people are going to simply dump their crap anywhere because of this and the council will foot bigger bills to clean it up. mark my words. hell i bet if it comes to weight charges people won't take their bin out till the last possible moment for fear that your neighbour will top yours off.... i'd just like to say a big "thanks labour gov't" for this fine mess. pete