GER politics thread

[Skybird]

One of the recent polls. They vary in details, but all show a similar general trend.





Yesterday another poll showed that if the FDP makes it over the 5% hurdle, the CDU does not gain a majprity with a green-CDU coalition and must go with the Reds.



All this is drama, show and entertainment only, as I expressed earlier. Panem et circensis, to turn voters into accomplices in the crime so that they have no moral right anymore to complain about what they voted for.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You will see a coalition government most likely under the formal leadership by the former CDU which then must do a coalition with the Greens (whose Robert Habeck is the one destroying our economy, doing all that degrowth agenda, and who does not stop destroying our powerplants until today), or with the Reds from the SPD who will refuse to stop illegal migration, will not confront Russia more decisively, will not boost funding of the Bundeswerh, will not fight against overboarding regulation and bureaucracy, will demand excessive debts-rtaising, will demand more subventions, and will throw mone yout of the moehny like crazy. All these parties will not confront the EU, will not question the ECB, will not stop the house heating policy desaster that is typical in contempory German politics. In short: in principle nothing will change, it will be the same policies like until here, just with a minor changes in the list of acting names. The basic policy will be the same as before.

They will claim a lot of drama about cosmetic changes in wording. But that is just at the surface. In substance, nothing will change. The CDU will practice merciless opportunism to bring itself into the chancelor's office but it will only be allowed to do so if it agrees to the SPD'S or Green's agenda. That will be the price of these coalitions: that the CDU runs green-red-left-woke policies. Its a nightmare from which there is no awakening.

There will be elections. But there will not be a choice. Like the block parties in the GDR Volkskammer. They all were just proxies for and alibis of the SED.

BTW, today they announced that the number of yearly ins9ovencies hasd grown by 24% compoared to last year, and last year it has alraey grown by 22 or 23% comared to the yera before. Of these business crashes, 4 out of 5 are small private companies, the remaining 1 in 5 are major big coorporations and mass employers - and if you check just these, you see their number of insolvencies has grown by over 44% compared to the year before. The trend is expected to accelerate next year, and mass unemployment will start to drastically explode.

A the same time, the price for butter has risen by factor 2 to 2.5, and is expected to rise further. Currently in some supermarket chains you can buy only three packages per household. Because the number of cows - and thus: the amount of milk - is being cut down by driving farmers into bancruptcy or quitting. Its onyl a question of time until you will see the availability of beef declining substantially (its already now in limted availabilty, I must drive to the other side of the city to get what I want), and prices exploding. I expect the Greens to support Mercosur to destroy German lifestock farmers, and when that is done they will try to change the Mercosur treaty and ban the import of South American beef. That way they can enforce their vegan agenda while formally claiming they did not prohibit people to eat meat.

Be sick and die early for better climate - and greater Big Carbs and Big Pharma profits! That gives your life a meaning and a purpose.

It is a death spiral in which we are racing downwards.

Originally Posted by Dargo

Whereas the sacked Lindner insisted on cutting benefits and pensions, SPD leader Scholz and his Economy Minister Robert Habeck (Greens) preferred to make additional public investments to pull the economy out of the doldrums. To this end, they are even willing to abandon the Schuldenbremse (‘debt brake’), the constitutional requirement that Germany's national debt must remain manageable and that Germany does not borrow too much money. For Lindner and his FDP, an absolute no-go. Germany finds itself in a jam with its own principles because of that Schuldenbremse. It turns out to be very difficult to boost the economy when you are dealing with a finance minister who sticks very strictly to this. Germany has long been struggling with a ‘dawdling economy’, where investments by both the government and companies have been delayed for far too long. Now the need is so high that money has to be spent.

There is also overdue maintenance of infrastructure, with many obsolete roads, bridges and chaos on the railways. Furthermore, digitalisation still lags heavily behind that of other countries, threatening Germany's competitiveness, economists have long warned. This cabinet had very good plans, but could not agree on financing. Germany must invest itself out of the economic malaise, preferably with a special investment programme outside the official budget. Germany must accept that the German model of the last decade has come to an end. If they don't accept that, there will be no reforms. And if there are no reforms, then voters will go into extremes, choosing radical-left or radical-right. And we are already seeing that in Eastern Germany.

There's me thinking the UK was in a mess!

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

One of the recent polls. They vary in details, but all show a similar general trend. Yesterday another poll showed that if the FDP makes it over the 5% hurdle, the CDU does not gain a majprity with a green-CDU coalition and must go with the Reds. All this is drama, show and entertainment only, as I expressed earlier. Panem et circensis, to turn voters into accomplices in the crime so that they have no moral right anymore to complain about what they voted for.

Germany is moving towards a 4 or +4 coalition like in the Netherlands maybe they can keep the AFD out next year, but govern with 4 or more is hard to keep it all together that needs a special leader like Mark Rutte he could manage that for more than 12 year and I do not see a Mark in Germany. But we neither when he started. After this next 2025 coalition fails AFD will become big enough to lead the coalition no other parties can ignore the AFD any more.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

There's me thinking the UK was in a mess!

It is a mess but not a disaster if next government, big industry starts to invest and start with their overdue maintenance of key parts of their economy. Very first thing they have to do is park that Schuldenbremse that is the major factor of the mess.

[Catfish]

Whatever comes out of this, they will never agree on a manageable position.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Whatever comes out of this, they will never agree on a manageable position.

You underestimate the CDU's weasel-like nimbleness! Merkel has demonstrated how never to allow principles and a sense of responsibility to stand in the way of own quest for power; since then, opportunism and turnability have become the party's guiding principles. Greens or SPD - both will make the CDU pay for their willingness to enter a coalition, and the CDU will pay whatever it costs. Because as long as the CDU rules out a coalition with the AfD, they have no alternative. Except new elections. And then the whole game begins anew, with he same outcome.

Merz is no alternative and no new, great leader. He is a joke, without spine, without long sight, and without courage. Once seated in the chancellor's chair you will find it hard to see the difference between him and his predecessors.


Over all: the shackles that the EU has thrown Germany into, and all other nations. And the self-dynamic of the currency and the galloping debts and the inflation crisis: three faces of one and the same monster.

[Skybird]

Ever heard of the German ship Otto Hahn? A tale of what once was, but is no more.

https://think--again-org.translate.g..._x_tr_pto=wapp

[Catfish]

^ "Der Abschied", third book of Lothar Günther-Buchheim, about his voyage on the Otto Hahn, with former Kaleun Lehmann-Willenbrock as Captain. Good read.

Apart from that it is of course a shame to throw away hard earned patents and knowledge out of ignorance. It is like a self-inflicted Morgenthau plan

[Skybird]

For once something positive from the defense sector. 5 bn Euros have been released for the building of 4 new Type 212 "CD" U-boats. They are a bit bigger and have better sensors than the current type 212 class. 2 more are beign build for Norway. Another 15 bn have been released for other buyings of hardware, including ammunition and air defence missiles.



Nothing new on drones, anti-drone defenses, tanks.



As far as the navy is concerned, I think Germany should give up the idea of needing to act globally, and focus on the defending of the Baltic and North Sea area - more or less exclusively. A single German frigate (and of weak combat potential) shipping all alone in Asian waters is not even pathetic, its not even a joke - it simply is nothing. These modular multi-role hull designs for international missions are off the mark for the German navy. Disrupting Russian operations in the Baltic naval and aerial sphere - this is our job. Recent sabotages of cables and the likes do not give the impression that NATO is mastering the defense of the Baltic Sea. And German post-WW2 uboats where this small in size because they were optimised for using them in the Baltic. Its the German boats' natural playground.

[mapuc]

Following was copied and translated from a Danish newspaper

Alice Weidel, party leader of the anti-immigrant party "Alternative für Deutschland" (AfD) is far ahead of the other candidates in the race to become Germany's next chancellor.
Alice Weidel is in first place with 24 percent of the vote. Friedrich Merz is in second place with 20 percent of the vote. Germany's current chancellor, Olaf Scholz, is down to 15 percent of the vote.
The poll was conducted by the German newspaper Bild. The result is not affected by the recent terrorist attack in Germany. The poll was conducted before the terrorist attack.

If this should be the result I foresee some political chaos, after the election in Feb next year.

Markus

[Dargo]

What do you see in this poster?

[Skybird]

The SPD-mungo started the brawel. It ends with them being thrown out and earning a house ban, and now the Staatsschutz has started investigations against them.









No, I do not scan AfD's youtube channel - I red about this in a newspaper, and then searched for the video by the mentioned names in the article.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

What do you see in this poster?

What do you want to see in a protecting roof formed by the arms of the parents over their children, hmm...? The women btw raises the left arm not the right arm.












Symbol of "Positive Parenting".






International glyphe.


There are a couple more variations. Its always symbols for children charity and children protection work.

[Dargo]

^Nice try nice drawings you showed your colour.

[Skybird]

No, but you did. Always seeing the worst in something if it is opportune for you and serves your intention. Maybe I should not be surprised, since the progressives heavily try to destroy the idea of a conventional family with a female mother, a male father, and non gender-neutral boys and girl as child/ren. Everybody defending this "outdated" institution" today is target for defamatory attacks.



Well I enter christmas peace period now. 9 minutes late.

[Dargo]

The AfD youth wing JA is already classified as proven right-wing extremist, as are some state branches, such as those in Thuringia and Saxony according to the Verfassungsschutz. Since 2021, the AfD has been considered a suspected extremist party. The security service sees the party as a threat to the free democratic legal order in Germany, and the qualification Verdachtsfall gave the Verfassungsschutz additional powers. According to that service, AfD members propagate xenophobia and anti-democratic views. They adhere to a ‘völkisch’ nationalism and want to exclude Muslims and political dissenters. So opportune of me to think these are fascists. Who am I to think that the cornerstone of society is not the backward old-fashioned family of man, woman, children how anti Lebensborn of me and that the other.... in a ... belong and especially not be a Mensch. But no stay afraid of different thinkers, be afraid before you know it they dilute your DNA. You can spin it all you want, but what I see is brown. The slogans, lectures, symbolism, stink is back to the ‘Alte Kameraden’ time you can fool me a lot but if it stinks then it is shyte.