Massive Price Drop! - Page 14

karamazovnew · 03-27-10, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jerm138

I'm not comparing the programs themselves... Of course they're way different.

I'm comparing the effect of not listening to your customer base... which the makers of FSX and the makers of SH5 both seem to have done. Microsoft Flight Simulator died shortly after FSX, and people are speculating about whether or not the Silent Hunter series will survive. It's a valid comparison.

True, I'm not comparing the games either

I got carried again!
What I was trying to compare was actually the way in which Ubi punished the customer base, while Microsoft managed to deliver a beautiful sim. Actually, apart from the old flight model which was quite decent in the hands of a good modder and in the vanilla aircraft, I don't see how they managed to alienate the community

. I've played X-Plane too and found some aspects of it's flight model to be much worse than in FS. I've done a bit of gliding for real and the vanilla glider in FS handled beautifully

jerm138 · 03-27-10, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Ubi punished the customer base, while Microsoft managed to deliver a beautiful sim. Actually, apart from the old flight model which was quite decent in the hands of a good modder and in the vanilla aircraft, I don't see how they managed to alienate the community

It might be a beautiful sim NOW... after a couple years of patches and mods. But think back to the first weeks after FSX's release. People were ANGRY... about as bad as they are about SH5. It was horrible on release. Even with a suped-up gaming rig, people could only pull 20 FPS on medium graphics settings. They didn't do anything to fix the horrible ATC. They didn't do much to improve AI aircraft. There were many things that were being asked for that weren't there. The initial impression everyone had was that it was a "broken" sim and that the devs didn't listen.... something I've heard a lot around here lately.

We could argue this till we're blue in the face... it's all a matter of opinion anyway. But I still think it's a valid comparison. Two situations do not have to be exactly identical to warrant a comparison.

witchking · 03-28-10, 02:46 AM

HI guys,

I just got my brand new rig yesterday. She;s a beast...an upgrade from my inspiron 9300 that was 5yrs old to the brand new Asus G73JH. Freaking awsome!! I love it...LCD, vid card...CPU...just a heck of a damn every penny worth package. I have been waiting to get a new pc to get Sh5 and looking at this thread...looks like it was worth it. can I (canadian) buy SH5 from the uk amazon store? it still sells in store for 50$ here. This would save enough money that i might consider even getting the AC2.

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scratch that

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Commie · 03-28-10, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Done alot of coding have you?

Yep.

Done a lot of reading with understanding have you?

Obviously not. If you did you'd understand what I meant. But I suppose for you Bioshock is as complicated as System Shock; Panzer Elite Action is as complicated as M1 Tank Platoon 2, Mass Effect is as complicated as Ultima Underworld or VII. Never mind the barrage of sims we had in the 90's with their 50 key commands or the hieroglyphic interfaces of games which required a lot more COMPLICATED methods of navigating than the mouse click for everything that is standard these days. So yes Mr Steamwake, games were often much more complicated in the past both in terms of gameplay and in terms of interaction, interface and even installation which made them inaccessible to the 'casual gamer'.

elanaiba · 03-28-10, 03:18 AM

Hell, in those days, you kinda had to be a nerd to be able to run a computer and games, so I guess we'd accept complicated stuff IN the game too.

Not enough EMS memory anyone?

kylania · 03-28-10, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

hell, in those days, you kinda had to be a nerd to be able to run a computer and games, so i guess we'd accept complicated stuff in the game too.

Not enough ems memory anyone?

himem.sys ftw!

The Enigma · 03-28-10, 03:37 AM

Aahh, those were the days.
Those endless changing of config.sys and autoexec.bat just to get the most memory for the game.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 03-28-10, 05:20 AM

Yeah. I remember that too. Very annoying when you need 1kb more memory but you can't get it from anywhere.

Kapitanleutnant · 03-28-10, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Gross generalisations make everyone look like an idiot. Oh wait...

I don't think generalisation means what you think it means.

lorka42 · 03-28-10, 07:27 AM

INCONCEIVABLE!!!
(You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.)

goldorak · 03-28-10, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

Hell, in those days, you kinda had to be a nerd to be able to run a computer and games, so I guess we'd accept complicated stuff IN the game too.

Not enough EMS memory anyone?

Strange, I remember lots and lots of military simulations for windows 98, and you didn't have to mess with ems memory.

Wulfmann · 03-28-10, 10:08 AM

Price was never a consideration.
I would play it for years almost every day so the few dollars are irrelevant.

What matter is my game PC is not online and will not be.

If SH5 with DRM is $5.00 and a new version that requires no online set up is $50.00 I will gladly pay the $50.00.
Until then a free copy has no meaning to me with DRM.

Wulfmann

Nisgeis · 03-28-10, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

I don't think generalisation means what you think it means.

Yes it does.

janh · 03-28-10, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

Strange, I remember lots and lots of military simulations for windows 98, and you didn't have to mess with ems memory.

Original DOS games. I recall for many a game including Task Force 1942 headaches in gettting EMS, XMS etc right to start it...

You better knew something about your computer, it helped quite a bit (and got you started with "Hex modding" games, exe's, etc). But the manuals for the games also gave you a neat description how to do it without knowing either, so it was ok.

Onkel Neal · 03-28-10, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

Strange, I remember lots and lots of military simulations for windows 98, and you didn't have to mess with ems memory.

I remember lots and lots of military simulations well before Windows 98. Or Windows 95... or Windows.

03-28-10, 03:18 AM	#200
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	Hell, in those days, you kinda had to be a nerd to be able to run a computer and games, so I guess we'd accept complicated stuff IN the game too. Not enough EMS memory anyone? __________________ With strength I burn...

03-28-10, 03:37 AM	#202
The Enigma Seer of visions Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Under the surface Posts: 2,315 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Aahh, those were the days. Those endless changing of config.sys and autoexec.bat just to get the most memory for the game. __________________

03-28-10, 05:20 AM	#203
kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Yeah. I remember that too. Very annoying when you need 1kb more memory but you can't get it from anywhere. __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House

03-28-10, 10:08 AM	#207
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Price was never a consideration. I would play it for years almost every day so the few dollars are irrelevant. What matter is my game PC is not online and will not be. If SH5 with DRM is $5.00 and a new version that requires no online set up is $50.00 I will gladly pay the $50.00. Until then a free copy has no meaning to me with DRM. Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

03-28-10, 07:27 AM	#205
lorka42 Planesman Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 190 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 5	INCONCEIVABLE!!! (You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.)