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Zachstar · 10-25-08, 08:41 PM

Yes the old "Democrats are Tax and Spend! OH NOES!!"

Nobody is buying that junk now except people who vote republican anyway.

It's Over and the "Obama will have complete control!!" Stuff will not work either..

Sea Demon · 10-25-08, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachstar

Yes the old "Democrats are Tax and Spend! OH NOES!!"

Nobody is buying that junk now except people who vote republican anyway.

It's Over and the "Obama will have complete control!!" Stuff will not work either..

It's what they're saying. I'm not putting words in their mouths. There is nothing to buy, only things to pay attention to. I can't help it if voters on your side don't care or are grossly ingorant about tax deferred retirements, national security issues(Barney Frank looking for 25% military reductions WHILE WE ARE AT WAR), economic growth (Spreading the wealth?!?!?)and much much more. While I admire your overconfidence, Obama may or may not be elected. It's not over yet.

I'm sure you want me banned now to....right?

Digital_Trucker · 10-25-08, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachstar

Yes the old "Democrats are Tax and Spend! OH NOES!!"

Nobody is buying that junk now except people who vote republican anyway.

It's Over and the "Obama will have complete control!!" Stuff will not work either..

Keep digging and see how deep the hole is in four years. If none of this stuff is going to "work" why are you trying so hard to dissuade anyone from paying any attention to it?:hmm:

Monica Lewinsky · 10-25-08, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Actually Bill Clinton didn't cut or raise taxes, he just signed bills passed by Congress, and they're the ones who would fund any social engineering programs (otherwise known as porkbarrel) as well.

And erected a nice library to honor him for up holding the honor of the office of president.

Ishmael · 10-25-08, 10:56 PM

As an American citizen, a registered voter and a volunteer for the Obama campaign who personally registered 267 new voters here in Valencia County, New Mexico, here is why I voted for Barack Obama in early voting.
Like John McCain, I am a third-generation seafaring man. Unlike Sen. McCain, my dad and granddad weren't Admirals but able seamen sailing before the mast. My granddad went to sea on Square-riggers in 1900. My dad sailed all through World War 2 as a civilian merchant seamen seeing action at Attu, Kiska, North Africa, Sicily, Salerno, Anzio, Iwo Jima and the Occupation of Japan. I personally hunted the Great Steel Whales as a Destroyer Sonarman for six years across four of the five oceans and six of the seven seas. So call me...Ishmael.

My specialty in the US Navy was anti-submarine and anti-surface ship weapons systems. While I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons aboard US naval vessels, I CAN tell you I was a member of the following special programs and inspections:
Personnel Reliability Program
Nuclear Weapons Handling Team
Nuclear Weapons Security Alert Team
Nuclear Weapons Security Backup Alert Force
Nuclear Weapons Accident/Incident Team
Nuclear Weapons Acceptance Inspection(passage needed to certify a ship nuclear-capable)
Annual Nuclear Technical Proficiency Inspections
Technical Surprise Inspections
When you consider that my battle station was as Firing Petty Officer, if nuclear weapons were aboard, it would have been my task to launch them. So, in a very real sense, my finger was on one of "The Buttons".
In order to be cleared for membership in the above, I had to demonstrate that I was a calm, intelligent, level-headed guy who could perform right action under enormous stress. The ONLY candidate who shows the same character traits I HAD TO SHOW for admittance to the above is Barack Hussein Obama. I have serious reservations about turning over control of the world's largest nuclear arsenal to a man like McCain who has documented Temper issues that even his own friends admit to and a poor grasp of world geography. When you compound that with Sarah Palin as VP, a known Biblical Millenialist, I find that quite frightening.
Now, as a third-generation seafaring man, I DO find two nautical characters McCain reminds me of. The First is a Jonah. A Jinx, Bad Luck incarnate. If you examine his record from the Naval Acadamy to now, you see bad luck, death and ruin follow in his wake. For those unfamiliar with a Jonah, here's a link to Father Mapple's Sermon from Moby Dick:

The other nautical character McCain reminds me of is Ahab. Scarred body and soul by his experiences, he is chasing his white whale of the Presidency. Not because he has any grand strategic vision for the nation, merely because he WANTS it.

So sign aboard the Pequod me lads. Aye, sign aboard you green-faced blowsies. Just remember what Elijah told me:
"There will come a day at sea when you'll smell land where there be no land. On that day Ahab will go to his grave. But he will rise again within the hour, rise and beckon. Then ALL, all save one will follow."
For this nation truly IS the crew of the Pequod. Drawn from all the isles of the sea and all the ends of the earth. From Greenland to Mombassa; from Clyde to Kokoboko.

I write this because I don't want to be like my namesake and have to say:
"I, alone, am left alive to tell thee the tale."
For I AM Ishmael and I must keep the true watch from the masthead.

August · 10-25-08, 11:26 PM

Ok, that was just weird...

Sea Demon · 10-25-08, 11:43 PM

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As an American citizen, a registered voter and a volunteer for the Obama campaign who personally registered 267 new voters here in Valencia County, New Mexico, here is why I voted for Barack Obama ...................

Nice. I appreciate your story on your military service. Alot of insight there. I was an officer in the USAF. And enlisted for a few years before that. While you are free to vote as you wish, as a former officer in the USAF, I fail to see how Obama could ever be fit for the Presidency. If I had the associates in question that he has had, in addition to some of the other things he's hiding, I never would have passed my own security clearance. Obama clearly would never have been cleared to do the job you did also without disclosing these things openly. When I went to OCS, my life had been an open book before I could wear the butter bars. I feel revulsion when I think that somebody like Obama is actually the Dem nominee. It also shows a complete lack of judgement in the halls of the DNC. McCain does have the temperament to be President despite the media feeding you the opposite. He also has actual command experience. Obama does not. Nor does Obama have the knowledge of military strategy or tactics, no executive decision making experience, and not one day as a head of any business.

As a matter of prime importance, I do believe McCain would actually defend this nation. Obama has not shown any indication that he takes national security very seriously due to some of the statements he has made regarding defunding our military. He has been very clear about it, of course until until quite recently. These are some of the reasons I have early voted for McCain. He's simply the only real choice out there in my own view. Obama in the Oval office will be a disaster. Not only from a domestic standpoint, but especially from a national security standpoint. As someone who also worked in the military profession, I have many concerns about Obama. I simply don't think he's up to the task, and don't think he will actually defend the country in any crises. Including the one Mr. Biden says an Obama presidency invites. I agree with Biden. Obama will invite many "challenges". And I don't believe he has what it takes to confront any of it.

Frame57 · 10-26-08, 05:18 AM

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I do not fear the dems or the reps, but what i do fear is social engineering. For the Bill Clinton fans, I will tell you this; he balanced the budget by cutting capital gains taxes. The smartest thing he did! BO will raise taxes to put money into social engineering programs. I would not even label the man-a democrat. Even Bill Clinton understood what it takes to be economically sound. BO does not!

Actually Bill Clinton didn't cut or raise taxes, he just signed bills passed by Congress, and they're the ones who would fund any social engineering programs (otherwise known as porkbarrel) as well.

What I worry about is who Obamas advisers might be and how much of a negative influence they will have on his good judgment. He's shown a willingness to embrace dangerous radicals and I just hope to God that they don't own him as much as some folks believe they do.

It's never a good thing when both houses of Congress and the executive branch are all controlled by one party. Bad legislation gets passed because there is no need for consensus. It wasn't a good thing when the Republicans had it and it won't be a good thing if the Democrats get it.

He signed legislation in 97 to drop it to 20% which resulted in revenue to balance the budget. Bush later dropped it to 15% but because of the tech bubble bust he did not see the continued results that the Clinton administration had. Unfortunatly!

Morts · 10-26-08, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Barney Frank looking for 25% military reductions WHILE WE ARE AT WAR

well, since america is always involved in some kind of conflict it would be hard to do it in peace time:rotfl:

August · 10-26-08, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

He signed legislation in 97 to drop it to 20% which resulted in revenue to balance the budget. Bush later dropped it to 15% but because of the tech bubble bust he did not see the continued results that the Clinton administration had. Unfortunatly!

The reason I point out Congress as the author of those tax cuts is because I get the idea that our European friends tend to believe the President makes such decisions when he doesn't.

Zachstar · 10-26-08, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Ok, that was just weird...

And your response is rude.

August · 10-26-08, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachstar

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Originally Posted by August

Ok, that was just weird...

And your response is rude.

Thank you for your opinion.

1480 · 10-26-08, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Zachstar

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Originally Posted by August

Ok, that was just weird...

And your response is rude.

Thank you for your opinion.

Get ready for all the changes to our vocabulary starting 25 JAN 09 if BHO is elected, weird is gone!

JHuschke · 10-26-08, 10:10 PM

Obama is not even near believing in Socialism, Communism, nor Facism. He is a complete "muslimist", therefore we will have arabs praying "allah" in America if he becomes president. He must be prevented & we must have McCain, even though its not the best choice, but the better one.

August · 10-26-08, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 1480

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by August

Ok, that was just weird...

And your response is rude.

Thank you for your opinion.

Get ready for all the changes to our vocabulary starting 25 JAN 09 if BHO is elected, weird is gone!

Can we still use "special"?

10-25-08, 08:41 PM	#181
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Yes the old "Democrats are Tax and Spend! OH NOES!!" Nobody is buying that junk now except people who vote republican anyway. It's Over and the "Obama will have complete control!!" Stuff will not work either.. __________________

10-25-08, 11:26 PM	#186
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ok, that was just weird... __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

10-25-08, 10:56 PM	#185
Ishmael Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morro Bay, Ca. Posts: 659 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	As an American citizen, a registered voter and a volunteer for the Obama campaign who personally registered 267 new voters here in Valencia County, New Mexico, here is why I voted for Barack Obama in early voting. Like John McCain, I am a third-generation seafaring man. Unlike Sen. McCain, my dad and granddad weren't Admirals but able seamen sailing before the mast. My granddad went to sea on Square-riggers in 1900. My dad sailed all through World War 2 as a civilian merchant seamen seeing action at Attu, Kiska, North Africa, Sicily, Salerno, Anzio, Iwo Jima and the Occupation of Japan. I personally hunted the Great Steel Whales as a Destroyer Sonarman for six years across four of the five oceans and six of the seven seas. So call me...Ishmael. My specialty in the US Navy was anti-submarine and anti-surface ship weapons systems. While I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons aboard US naval vessels, I CAN tell you I was a member of the following special programs and inspections: Personnel Reliability Program Nuclear Weapons Handling Team Nuclear Weapons Security Alert Team Nuclear Weapons Security Backup Alert Force Nuclear Weapons Accident/Incident Team Nuclear Weapons Acceptance Inspection(passage needed to certify a ship nuclear-capable) Annual Nuclear Technical Proficiency Inspections Technical Surprise Inspections When you consider that my battle station was as Firing Petty Officer, if nuclear weapons were aboard, it would have been my task to launch them. So, in a very real sense, my finger was on one of "The Buttons". In order to be cleared for membership in the above, I had to demonstrate that I was a calm, intelligent, level-headed guy who could perform right action under enormous stress. The ONLY candidate who shows the same character traits I HAD TO SHOW for admittance to the above is Barack Hussein Obama. I have serious reservations about turning over control of the world's largest nuclear arsenal to a man like McCain who has documented Temper issues that even his own friends admit to and a poor grasp of world geography. When you compound that with Sarah Palin as VP, a known Biblical Millenialist, I find that quite frightening. Now, as a third-generation seafaring man, I DO find two nautical characters McCain reminds me of. The First is a Jonah. A Jinx, Bad Luck incarnate. If you examine his record from the Naval Acadamy to now, you see bad luck, death and ruin follow in his wake. For those unfamiliar with a Jonah, here's a link to Father Mapple's Sermon from Moby Dick: The other nautical character McCain reminds me of is Ahab. Scarred body and soul by his experiences, he is chasing his white whale of the Presidency. Not because he has any grand strategic vision for the nation, merely because he WANTS it. So sign aboard the Pequod me lads. Aye, sign aboard you green-faced blowsies. Just remember what Elijah told me: "There will come a day at sea when you'll smell land where there be no land. On that day Ahab will go to his grave. But he will rise again within the hour, rise and beckon. Then ALL, all save one will follow." For this nation truly IS the crew of the Pequod. Drawn from all the isles of the sea and all the ends of the earth. From Greenland to Mombassa; from Clyde to Kokoboko. I write this because I don't want to be like my namesake and have to say: "I, alone, am left alive to tell thee the tale." For I AM Ishmael and I must keep the true watch from the masthead.

10-26-08, 10:10 PM	#194
JHuschke XO Join Date: May 2008 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 432 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Obama is not even near believing in Socialism, Communism, nor Facism. He is a complete "muslimist", therefore we will have arabs praying "allah" in America if he becomes president. He must be prevented & we must have McCain, even though its not the best choice, but the better one.