What do you feel about SH5 now?

[scrapser]

I'm waiting for Ubisoft to come out with a game version of the TV series, "Voyage to See What's on the Bottom"...should be awesome.

[mikeydredd]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

What's your answer to the question posed?

A: As far as I'm aware Subsim isn't a dealership or franchise of UbiSoft (although judging by some of the posts you could be mistaken for thinking it is) but a forum where everybody's opinion is welcomed as long as you abide by the rules.

B: I haven't been constantly posting about anything for 3 months - you must be thinking of someone else.

C: This poll includes 2 specific answers for people such as myself who haven't bought this game so it is entirely legitimate to discus why I have come to that decision here. Certainly can't be described as spamming or hysteria.

D: I told a tiny little fib - I do own a Honda. It was a bit of an in-joke and just shows you shouldn't believe everything you read on the interweb.

Dredd

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by mikeydredd

D: I told a tiny little fib - I do own a Honda. It was a bit of an in-joke and just shows you shouldn't believe everything you read on the interweb.

Dredd

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by mikeydredd

A: As far as I'm aware Subsim isn't a dealership or franchise of UbiSoft (although judging by some of the posts you could be mistaken for thinking it is) but a forum where everybody's opinion is welcomed as long as you abide by the rules.

You're absolutely right, which is why complaining to Ubisoft on these forums will achieve nothing constuctive at all. These are not the Ubisoft forums, or a franchise of Ubisoft.

Originally Posted by mikeydredd

B: I haven't been constantly posting about anything for 3 months - you must be thinking of someone else.

Ah, now here you are cheating and not answering the question. No one said you had been constantly posting for three months. The question was 'What would be said about a person that did that for three months?', so nice dodge, but you didn't answer the question.

Originally Posted by mikeydredd

C: This poll includes 2 specific answers for people such as myself who haven't bought this game so it is entirely legitimate to discus why I have come to that decision here. Certainly can't be described as spamming or hysteria.

Er, OK, again, no one said you were spamming or being hysterical, where did you get that idea from?

Originally Posted by mikeydredd

D: I told a tiny little fib - I do own a Honda. It was a bit of an in-joke and just shows you shouldn't believe everything you read on the interweb.

Dredd

You liar! But seriously, not everything on the internetz R gud? Now that is news!

So yes, long answer from you, but you didn't answer the question posed.

[oscar19681]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

•SH4 ships can now be imported (useful for modders).
•Improvements in the reward system for U-boats in the dynamic campaign
•Improvements to the AI
•Changes to accommodate RU localization will therefore be present in patch 1.2, but will not affect players in a visible form.

Right now I'm still amazed that these were dropped from the patch - pretty crucial IMO.

I'll be playing SH3 GWX3 for the foreseeable future....

I dont understand either. dont forget that they also dropped "crew will change cloathes in bad weather" These were the changes why they should make a patch in the first place and they dropped it! insted they have some stuppid so called improvments to stuff i never knew cuased problems! And even the things they " fixed " dont even seem to work most of the time!

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Posting here, if the reason for the post is to complain to Ubisoft, is pretty pointless.

I'll buy that reasoning for a dollar. However the reason I post here is to warn the newbies shopping for a good subsim that SH5 should be given a pass. Ubi does not enter the equation at all. Newbies deserve to know the truth, that Ubi jumped the shark very badly on this one. They disrespected their customers and made a seriously flawed game too.

And most importantly, even if all the flaws are fixed, Ubi can at any time pull the plug on its three servers and nobody can play the game they think they bought. That is not acceptable. Newbies need to know that and the fanbois aren't going to tell them.

[Brag]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

I'll buy that reasoning for a dollar. However the reason I post here is to warn the newbies shopping for a good subsim that SH5 should be given a pass. Ubi does not enter the equation at all. Newbies deserve to know the truth, that Ubi jumped the shark very badly on this one. They disrespected their customers and made a seriously flawed game too.

And most importantly, even if all the flaws are fixed, Ubi can at any time pull the plug on its three servers and nobody can play the game they think they bought. That is not acceptable. Newbies need to know that and the fanbois aren't going to tell them.

Excellent reasoning!

What I find hard to understand is why the game users (can't call them owners) get so upset when someone complains about SHV or Ubi's OSP.
And worst of all, those who keep asking to have dissidents of their views banned from the forum. It seems SHV is not only flawed but brings out the worst in its users.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

I'll buy that reasoning for a dollar. However the reason I post here is to warn the newbies shopping for a good subsim that SH5 should be given a pass.

The number of reviews out there should cover that and if they don't for those that don't check the reviews, then the user ratings on the sites that people are buying them from (e.g. amazon) should tell them. If they don't buy online and they buy as an impulse buy in a shop, then they won't have looked at a review first or done any research, especially not on subsim. Your target audience is pretty thin.

I personally, am interested in why people aren't buying the game.

[IanC]

The reviews will reflect the quality of the game, but so will the forums. If the game is good, the threads will be mostly positive and vice-versa. It's only natural and we're seeing it now in this SH5 forum. The only way to change it would be a policy change like "no negative threads" or "no negative comments"... which sounds wrong to me and would not reflect the reality of the game.

[kylania]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

However the reason I post here is to warn the newbies shopping for a good subsim that SH5 should be given a pass. Ubi does not enter the equation at all. Newbies deserve to know the truth, that Ubi jumped the shark very badly on this one. They disrespected their customers and made a seriously flawed game too.

And most importantly, even if all the flaws are fixed, Ubi can at any time pull the plug on its three servers and nobody can play the game they think they bought. That is not acceptable. Newbies need to know that and the fanbois aren't going to tell them.

Please make sense. First you claim that Ubi "does not enter the equation at all" then go on to constantly talk about Ubi this and Ubi that.

The "truth" is that Silent Hunter 5 is a perfectly playable and enjoyable game for most users, even more so with current and upcoming mods. DRM no longer seems to affect the gameplay for most users. Sure it's still got bugs, but it's not "seriously flawed" anymore.

You did really great work, as you've brutally pointed out to others, with SH4 and that's greatly appreciated, but with SH5 you're apparently nothing more than heckler. Stop it.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Brag

Excellent reasoning!

What I find hard to understand is why the game users (can't call them owners) get so upset when someone complains about SHV or Ubi's OSP.

It's not hard to understand at all.

There's a big difference between someone who complains and someone who's spamming complaints...

(I know I've already said it in another thread but it seems like I had to recall it).

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btw, a BIG +1 to Kylania

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Méo

(I know I've already said it in another thread but it seems like I had to recall it).

Oh is that what we call spamming?

[Méo]

Originally Posted by IanC

Oh is that what you call spamming?

*sigh*

again... I've said it twice and there's dozens of comments like ''I am sick of the complaining about the complaining.'' or ''We are free to express our own opinion whether you like it or not'' etc.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Méo

*sigh*

again... I've said it twice and there's dozens of comments like ''I am sick of the complaining about the complaining.'' or ''We are free to express our own opinion whether you like it or not'' etc.

Hmm... I don't think you saw what I was getting at, but that's fine.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by kylania

Please make sense. First you claim that Ubi "does not enter the equation at all" then go on to constantly talk about Ubi this and Ubi that.

The "truth" is that Silent Hunter 5 is a perfectly playable and enjoyable game for most users, even more so with current and upcoming mods. DRM no longer seems to affect the gameplay for most users. Sure it's still got bugs, but it's not "seriously flawed" anymore.

You did really great work, as you've brutally pointed out to others, with SH4 and that's greatly appreciated, but with SH5 you're apparently nothing more than heckler. Stop it.

What part of saying that my posts are not made for the benefit of Ubi, but for the benefit of innocent people about to be cheated can you not wrap your brain around. I don't care if Ubi hears that their conduct is unacceptable. They have the responsibility to know that without my help.

That is why they don't "enter the equation at all" in why I post. My concern and my posts are directed solely at new game shoppers thinking SH5 might just be worth purchasing.

If SH5 is fixed, if it becomes the most fun you can have with your clothes on, it still won't matter if Ubi pulls the plug, leaving you with nothing. They have the full power and legitimate right to do that and you think it's fine. In the face of direct questions regarding that, their best and strongest reply is "well, there are no plans at this time to do that." I'm plenty reassured, arent you?

Do you know the story of the Sword of Damocles and why it applies to this situation?

When I am strongly personally attacked by someone denying my ability to legitimately post I am allowed to refute that. I did it without calling names, without questioning his character and with nothing but the facts. If it happens again, I will respond similarly.