The proposed 2012 budget...

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I don't think progressives understand the term; "We have no more money."
I'll use a language they understand: No mas denero.

Don't cut my program bro.

And what have the Republicans done to address the problem? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. They kicked and screamed and threatened to shut down the government over 1.59% of the entire budget. 1.59% isn't about solving our deficit problems. It's about using the deficit as an excuse to cut programs that the GOP views as politically distasteful.

Anyone that believes any of this was about the budget and fiscal austerity is a rube.

[August]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

So how exactly was all of this a good idea?

I'd be happy to discuss this with you Neon but this isn't the thread to do it.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I don't think progressives understand the term; "We have no more money."
I'll use a language they understand: No mas denero.

Don't cut my program bro.

You're right, we don't have any more money, the GOP gave it all to corporations through tax shelters and loopholes.

When less than 5% hold over 50% of all wealth, compared to 60% of us holding it in the 70's, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see were creating a two class system via the corporate takeover of America.

It seems this nation is headed in one of two directions, corporate control or big government with social programs. The problem is one creates the other. The richer the corporations get, the poorer the mass population becomes. This creates a social and economic problem that many Dems. want to fix, face it, they believe in helping others even if it is with someone elses money, the GOP want to help the rich get richer so they can stay in office and force idealology down our throats.

It's laughable to say the GOP believes in smaller government. Anytime they had power, government and the budget increased.

[Oberon]

And thus

Deadlock.

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

who signed TARP into law?

A lame duck president signed a Democrat created and passed bill. This is your argument?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

A lame duck president signed a Democrat created and passed bill. This is your argument?

The Dem's passed it? Looks like 91 Republicans voted for it and 63 Dems against it as well. Don't ignore relevant facts because they're not politically expedient.

[August]

Originally Posted by Armistead

the GOP want to help the rich get richer so they can stay in office and force idealology down our throats.

Last I checked the GoP or the rich do not tell me who to vote for.

...they believe in helping others even if it is with someone elses money...

Way too general a statement. The Dems believe in helping their political supporters by stealing everyone elses hard earned money even if it causes the nation to collapse financially.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The Dem's passed it? Looks like 91 Republicans voted for it and 63 Dems against it as well. Don't ignore relevant facts because they're not politically expedient.

I'm not ignoring anything mookie, just getting tired of the constant hypocrisy of the left in this country.

Ask yourself:
Who controlled Congress when TARP was enacted?
What has been the most common fate of the Blue Dogs who voted against TARP?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

I'm not ignoring anything mookie, just getting tired of the constant hypocrisy of the left in this country.

Ask yourself:
Who controlled Congress when TARP was enacted?
What has been the most common fate of the Blue Dogs who voted against TARP?

91 Republicans voted for it and 63 Dems against it. Neither side holds the monopoly on hypocrisy.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

91 Republicans voted for it and 63 Dems against it. Neither side holds the monopoly on hypocrisy.

If you're going to try and make a point Mookie then tell the whole story instead of cherry picking:

October 1, 2008 TARP Tally
House of Representatives - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes: 173 Democrats, 91 Republicans = 264 Ayes
Nays: 63 Democrats, 108 Republicans = 171 Nays
435 Total Votes

October 1, 2008 TARP tally
Senate - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes 38 Democrats 35 Republicans 1 Independent = 74 Ayes
Nays 10 Democrats 15 Republicans 1 Independent = 25 Nays
Not Voting 1

In both houses of Congress more Republicans voted against TARP than voted for it by wide margins.

In both houses of Congress more Democrats voted for TARP than voted against it, again by wide margins.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

If you're going to try and make a point Mookie then tell the whole story instead of cherry picking:

October 1, 2008 TARP Tally
House of Representatives - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes: 173 Democrats, 91 Republicans = 264 Ayes
Nays: 63 Democrats, 108 Republicans = 171 Nays
435 Total Votes

October 1, 2008 TARP tally
Senate - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes 38 Democrats 35 Republicans 1 Independent = 74 Ayes
Nays 10 Democrats 15 Republicans 1 Independent = 25 Nays
Not Voting 1

In both houses of Congress more Republicans voted against TARP than voted for it by wide margins.

In both houses of Congress more Democrats voted for TARP than voted against it, again by wide margins.

The point is you keep saying "controlled by Democrats" like that means that it was the big bad Democrat party that voted as a whole in lockstep for the ultimate destruction of our fair nation, every one of them voting yea, and the valiant Republicans mustered an ultimately futile defense, every one of them voting nay.

It didn't happen that way, but yet you refuse to admit that in the face of the facts. THAT'S the point.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by August

If you're going to try and make a point Mookie then tell the whole story instead of cherry picking:

October 1, 2008 TARP Tally
House of Representatives - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes: 173 Democrats, 91 Republicans = 264 Ayes
Nays: 63 Democrats, 108 Republicans = 171 Nays
435 Total Votes

October 1, 2008 TARP tally
Senate - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes 38 Democrats 35 Republicans 1 Independent = 74 Ayes
Nays 10 Democrats 15 Republicans 1 Independent = 25 Nays
Not Voting 1

In both houses of Congress more Republicans voted against TARP than voted for it by wide margins.

In both houses of Congress more Democrats voted for TARP than voted against it, again by wide margins.

yes but on oct. 1, 2008, who was in control of the White House? Whose administration went running to Congress saying they had to give $700 billion to Wall Street RIGHT NOW! or the world as we know it would collapse.

a REPUBLICAN administration came up with TARP and shoved it down Congress's throat. It's a bit disingeneous to try to lay all this on the laps of the Democrats.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The point is you keep saying "controlled by Democrats" like that means that it was the big bad Democrat party that voted as a whole in lockstep for the ultimate destruction of our fair nation, every one of them voting yea, and the valiant Republicans mustered an ultimately futile defense, every one of them voting nay.

It didn't happen that way, but yet you refuse to admit that in the face of the facts. THAT'S the point.

You know what control of Congress entails Mookie.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

You know what control of Congress entails Mookie.

Not every Democrat voted for TARP. Not every Republican voted against it.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Not every Democrat voted for TARP. Not every Republican voted against it.

So what?

Twice as many Democrats voted for it than against it.
Twice as many Republicans voted against it than for it.

Those are the important facts here.