Just when you thought the clintions had finished with the White House....

[Monica Lewinsky]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I think you should look into the records of some of these fine citizens

Homeland Defense Security Video[s] from the Senate building pictures o.k. to post?

[mookiemookie]

I love the Rude Pundit, and here's his take on it. Cleaned up for the Subsim masses, of course.

But let's just say this as Barack Obama introduces his national security team and people huff and puff about whether they're hawks or not progressive enough or problem children or disappointing or what the f**k ever: Ultimately, the cabinet does the bidding of the president. Sure, they offer ideas and guide the departments. But they are policy implementers. Nothing less and nothing more. You have to be willing to go along with the boss to do the job, or you don't take it. And it's all a political game. If we know anything at all about Barack Obama, it's that he's one crafty m****er in the realm of politics.

If you wanted to, say, change the course of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and our strategic relationships around the globe, who's gonna do it without pissing people off? Secretary of Defense Dennis Kucinich? F**k no. You get the guys and gals who were proponents of the war in at least some way or have cozy g****n Capitol Hill relationships. If the great and glorious David Petraeus and the shiny Robert Gates are saying, "Bring the troops home," then you've defused your enemies. It ain't Clintonian triangulation, which involved embracing a watered-down version of your opponents' beliefs. It's just f'n smart. The same goes for economic policy and it will go for domestic.

Yeah, if Obama lets his hawks run the place and make him break his promises, then we can squawk. But for now, can we just take a breath and see how it all works out?

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Monica Lewinsky

Homeland Defense Security Video[s] from the Senate building pictures o.k. to post?

Stand and deliver... oh wait...

[Enigma]

Calling the community at large here at subsim 'do nothings' sports an heir of elietisim and arrogance.

I think you should look into the records of some of these fine citizens before you cast stones my friend.

Waaaah.

I think you should take your own advice. But I also imagine you care as much about what I think as I care about what you think.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm always interested in what others think. What turns me off is when rather than discuss things intelligently they go for the cheap shot. Waaa? Your comments about Chelsea are likely true, but your way of saying it was even more childish than the comments you were responding to.

But not by much.

[Enigma]

Yes, let me take the high road in a sea of low roads. You are a veteran of these forums and you know where discussion gets you with a lot of people here. As if I'm supposed to go out of my way to be polite. This whole thread is based on a deep seated grotesque hatred. But only my quote was worthy of criticism.....

[Sailor Steve]

Not at all. I've said the same to many on both sides when I thought it warranted, including Neal once. No, it hardly ever does any good, but I keep trying.