what am I doing wrong? - Page 2

Kipparikalle · 11-25-08, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Hi She-Wolf

Glad t' see ya postin.

Get out o' that Canoe an' get a VIIB an' get some tonnage.

The Big Boys o' tonnage 'n WWII used nothin' less'

You've done yer' trainin' 'n Lil" Toot , Now 'tis time t' let go an' get a real U-boot.

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE !!!

Firewall

Real badasses like She-Wolf use IID

Real hardcore Kaleuns use the cheapest, rustiest, and smallest sub. And use it to sink a frigging fleets of ships, which just adds more badassery, and sneaks away from like zillion DD's

Screw the VIIC, IID for the epic badassery!

Sailor Steve · 11-25-08, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by She-Wolf

I ...my IID Rotbile ( Rusty Old Tub But I Luv 'Er)...

:rotfl:

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I thought everyone started from the same place and wondered how it could be I am lagging so far behind. However, from cabin boy to cap'n the hard way is fine by me if that is what the game requires.

I'm the weird one. I run several concurrent careers, one from each available base. My guy in the Type II never has a lot of luck, but I make it a point not to do unrealistic things like harbor raids. That said, I also stay in my assigned grid, and don't expect to get more tonnage than the real kaleuns did.

Of course I also never have music on the gramophone that they couldn't listen to, and enjoy the sights while leaving and entering my home port, and complain about the fact that the ports aren't laid out the way they really were, so...

Have you considered that some people play it to win the game, and some play it to imagine what it was like to be there. Which do you want to be?

FIREWALL · 11-25-08, 03:31 PM

Since I play at 100% in more ways than one, iirc when the war started II boots were relegated to training and close-in patrol.

@ She-Wolf

While I commend your perseverance, the natural and realism course is to transfer if the war has started, to get a VII boot to get more tonnage\renoun.

Other than that... Play it the way you see fit and have fun.

Regards, Firewall

She-Wolf · 11-25-08, 03:45 PM

WOW. Kipparikalle.... my Hero...

SS, I do believe I have seen a piccy of you, and yes, you look the sort of chap that would cheerfully have a dozen pots boiling at once. How ever do you keep track of 'em all I wonder

To answer your question, I have to confess, I use time compression rather a lot, whereas the realists probably don't, and it takes 'em a week to get where ever they want to go, so I guess I am not a die-hard player. I play for the same reason I first played one of SH3's forebears on the Amiga - cos I just luv the bit where it is You against Them, whoever they may be, and you can hear the ship passing overhead, and you hear the depth charges, and you wonder if this is IT. Being able to outwit the hunters and sneak away after you have sunk a ship - that's why I play. It IS just a game, but it can be exciting ( or does that make me sound a bit 'sad'?)

Firewall, Sir, when I think I can actually handle a bigger tub, the way the real guys might have done it ( and Naval Academy tells me I got a loooong way to go) then I will feel ready and deserving. Until then, its me, Bernard and Rotbile dabbling about in the Kanal

Vacillator · 11-25-08, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

iirc when the war started II boots were relegated to training and close-in patrol

They were used for quite a while in the North Sea and later in the Black Sea so I suppose it's fine to be in one for a while in the early war years. Looking for a reference on service of IIs I found this (in a hurry so I expect there's a better one elsewhere):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._II_submarines

One which caught my eye was U-138, sunk off Spain on 18 June 1941!

Of course a lot of Kaleuns went straight out in the bigger boats without fighting in a II...

Edit: Read later that U-138 was on a mission to raid Gibraltar harbour looking for Renown and others. Never made it but at least all the crew were rescued.

11-26-08, 08:36 AM

Handling a bigger tub is easy, just as long it's at the pier.
The type II is only for the early years. Later in the war you have to run deep to evade the DDs. The IIs are fun though. Small, sneaky and if the occassion arises a pita for escorts (at least '39 - mid'41). Shame that they have nothing bigger than a 20mm. 'Tis fun sinking all the escorts and surfacing in the middle of a convoy. At least 'til '40...
She-Wolf, to you have any mods installed? Btw, harbour of choice: Hartlepool and if you stay about 40 to 50 km to the east of this harbour, you'll get plenty of traffic. Aim for the funnel

She-Wolf · 11-26-08, 09:23 AM

gmuno, I have 16k atmosphere, Das Boot, Full Circle splash screen, and today, but not tried yet, Lifeboats.

Thanks for the tip, next time I have a North Sea patrol I will do that

Kipparikalle · 11-26-08, 12:20 PM

Also, the VII is damn hard to detect with sonar, thanks for it's small size.
As mentioned before, extremely ideal for harbor raids.

I also heavily recommend the area around that island between the Britanny and Ireland, place is filled with Large merchants, small tankers, coastal merchant's etc, etc...

I have actually switched my oh-so-über IXC to VII couple of times, just to enjoy the fooling of those silly DD's, it's quite good at sinking them, too

Too bad the tincan dies in most cases if being rammed even the slightest bit (atleast, if hit on the superstructure)

She-Wolf · 11-26-08, 12:40 PM

Kipps, yes - I recently made this joyous discovery ( lots of traffic) myself . Now I have a larger fuel tank I am not limited to the puddle of the North Sea... as you say, a rich hunting ground

Graf Paper · 11-26-08, 01:38 PM

I really like those Type IIs. The "einbaum" may be lacking in quantity of torpedoes but it makes up for it by being one of the stealthiest boats in the game. Their small "shadow" makes them hard to find with ASDIC and you can run at speeds as high as 2 knots without being heard, even while the ASW boys are hunting for you.

Operating just outside enemy harbors is where the Type II really shines. No other boat, aside from the XXIII, can operate so well in shallow waters.

The IID has larger fuel tanks and a more powerful diesel than the IIA, so she can range further afield and is the best choice for kaleuns that want to engage in a coastal campaign throughout the war.

For new or less experienced players, I highly recommend the Type II. It's a great boat for learning the ropes. If you can learn to survive in shallow waters and make every single torpedo count, those techniques will double your chances of scoring big and avoiding destroyers in the Big Pond with a larger u-boat.

On the other hand, if you'd rather start with a larger boat like the VIIB or IXA, simply pick the flotilla that has them (but starting in 1939 does limit your choices so you can choose to start at a later date as well.)

Good luck out there, She-Wolf! BE MORE AGRESSIVE.

She-Wolf · 11-26-08, 02:03 PM

Um, well, I shall look at Rotbile with more respect after this glowing tribute to the IID Graf, I had only noticed her shortcomings before. Shame on me.

Be more aggressive you say, like saying GGGRRRRR as I peer at the warships through the scope you mean?

My tactic so far is to be silent and creep past the hunters. When I have a bigger sub and more muscle - THEN I might get braver. However, for now, I am going to go port-snooping - as you have explained, I have just the right boot to do it!

Kipparikalle · 11-26-08, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by She-Wolf

Be more aggressive you say, like saying GGGRRRRR as I peer at the warships through the scope you mean?

Just turn around, and punch your weapon's officer in the face

She-Wolf · 11-26-08, 05:41 PM

guess I just didn't realise what a nice little boot I got Mikhayl

Kippar - no, this will not achieve anything of merit. Tut.

Kipparikalle · 11-27-08, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by She-Wolf

guess I just didn't realise what a nice little boot I got Mikhayl

Kippar - no, this will not achieve anything of merit. Tut.

They'll learn to respect and fear you, increases their efficienty

Besides, if you have Bernard on board, punch him

crazypantoufle · 11-27-08, 02:59 AM

I confirm, these IIs type boot are just a joy to maneuver, they need only a few meters to make a complete turn, they dive faster than anything, they're so discret they represent a real headache for the patrolling DDs in the ports or near the coasts (that's why Dönitz ordered mini subs like these to counter the allied attack against the Atlantic wall,but they weren't achieve before Dday so the project was aborted).

Plus it's an excellent school teaching you how to manage your fuel and torpedos to the very best. So when you later get a VII or IX type, you just feel you can become the king of the seas!

Believe me, even with my UVIIc, there are some stress time with the DDs when i would rather change my VIIc for a good ol' II type!

11-25-08, 03:31 PM	#18
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Since I play at 100% in more ways than one, iirc when the war started II boots were relegated to training and close-in patrol. @ She-Wolf While I commend your perseverance, the natural and realism course is to transfer if the war has started, to get a VII boot to get more tonnage\renoun. Other than that... Play it the way you see fit and have fun. Regards, Firewall __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

11-25-08, 03:45 PM	#19
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	WOW. Kipparikalle.... my Hero... SS, I do believe I have seen a piccy of you, and yes, you look the sort of chap that would cheerfully have a dozen pots boiling at once. How ever do you keep track of 'em all I wonder To answer your question, I have to confess, I use time compression rather a lot, whereas the realists probably don't, and it takes 'em a week to get where ever they want to go, so I guess I am not a die-hard player. I play for the same reason I first played one of SH3's forebears on the Amiga - cos I just luv the bit where it is You against Them, whoever they may be, and you can hear the ship passing overhead, and you hear the depth charges, and you wonder if this is IT. Being able to outwit the hunters and sneak away after you have sunk a ship - that's why I play. It IS just a game, but it can be exciting ( or does that make me sound a bit 'sad'?) Firewall, Sir, when I think I can actually handle a bigger tub, the way the real guys might have done it ( and Naval Academy tells me I got a loooong way to go) then I will feel ready and deserving. Until then, its me, Bernard and Rotbile dabbling about in the Kanal __________________

11-26-08, 08:36 AM	#21
gmuno Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Handling a bigger tub is easy, just as long it's at the pier. The type II is only for the early years. Later in the war you have to run deep to evade the DDs. The IIs are fun though. Small, sneaky and if the occassion arises a pita for escorts (at least '39 - mid'41). Shame that they have nothing bigger than a 20mm. 'Tis fun sinking all the escorts and surfacing in the middle of a convoy. At least 'til '40... She-Wolf, to you have any mods installed? Btw, harbour of choice: Hartlepool and if you stay about 40 to 50 km to the east of this harbour, you'll get plenty of traffic. Aim for the funnel Last edited by gmuno; 11-26-08 at 08:46 AM.

11-26-08, 09:23 AM	#22
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	gmuno, I have 16k atmosphere, Das Boot, Full Circle splash screen, and today, but not tried yet, Lifeboats. Thanks for the tip, next time I have a North Sea patrol I will do that __________________

11-26-08, 12:20 PM	#23
Kipparikalle Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 580 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Also, the VII is damn hard to detect with sonar, thanks for it's small size. As mentioned before, extremely ideal for harbor raids. I also heavily recommend the area around that island between the Britanny and Ireland, place is filled with Large merchants, small tankers, coastal merchant's etc, etc... I have actually switched my oh-so-über IXC to VII couple of times, just to enjoy the fooling of those silly DD's, it's quite good at sinking them, too Too bad the tincan dies in most cases if being rammed even the slightest bit (atleast, if hit on the superstructure) Last edited by Kipparikalle; 11-26-08 at 12:24 PM.

11-26-08, 12:40 PM	#24
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Kipps, yes - I recently made this joyous discovery ( lots of traffic) myself . Now I have a larger fuel tank I am not limited to the puddle of the North Sea... as you say, a rich hunting ground __________________

11-26-08, 01:38 PM	#25
Graf Paper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest United States Posts: 1,146 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 2	I really like those Type IIs. The "einbaum" may be lacking in quantity of torpedoes but it makes up for it by being one of the stealthiest boats in the game. Their small "shadow" makes them hard to find with ASDIC and you can run at speeds as high as 2 knots without being heard, even while the ASW boys are hunting for you. Operating just outside enemy harbors is where the Type II really shines. No other boat, aside from the XXIII, can operate so well in shallow waters. The IID has larger fuel tanks and a more powerful diesel than the IIA, so she can range further afield and is the best choice for kaleuns that want to engage in a coastal campaign throughout the war. For new or less experienced players, I highly recommend the Type II. It's a great boat for learning the ropes. If you can learn to survive in shallow waters and make every single torpedo count, those techniques will double your chances of scoring big and avoiding destroyers in the Big Pond with a larger u-boat. On the other hand, if you'd rather start with a larger boat like the VIIB or IXA, simply pick the flotilla that has them (but starting in 1939 does limit your choices so you can choose to start at a later date as well.) Good luck out there, She-Wolf! BE MORE AGRESSIVE. __________________ Still sailing the high seas, hunting convoys with those who join me.

11-26-08, 02:03 PM	#26
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Um, well, I shall look at Rotbile with more respect after this glowing tribute to the IID Graf, I had only noticed her shortcomings before. Shame on me. Be more aggressive you say, like saying GGGRRRRR as I peer at the warships through the scope you mean? My tactic so far is to be silent and creep past the hunters. When I have a bigger sub and more muscle - THEN I might get braver. However, for now, I am going to go port-snooping - as you have explained, I have just the right boot to do it! __________________

11-26-08, 05:41 PM	#28
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	guess I just didn't realise what a nice little boot I got Mikhayl Kippar - no, this will not achieve anything of merit. Tut. __________________

11-27-08, 02:59 AM	#30
crazypantoufle Swabbie Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 9 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I confirm, these IIs type boot are just a joy to maneuver, they need only a few meters to make a complete turn, they dive faster than anything, they're so discret they represent a real headache for the patrolling DDs in the ports or near the coasts (that's why Dönitz ordered mini subs like these to counter the allied attack against the Atlantic wall,but they weren't achieve before Dday so the project was aborted). Plus it's an excellent school teaching you how to manage your fuel and torpedos to the very best. So when you later get a VII or IX type, you just feel you can become the king of the seas! Believe me, even with my UVIIc, there are some stress time with the DDs when i would rather change my VIIc for a good ol' II type! Last edited by crazypantoufle; 11-27-08 at 03:11 AM.