Alfa Tau 3.1 - Page 6

Raptor_341 · 11-16-08, 06:12 AM

I second the motion of DWXXX mod. Girls, SLBMs, and ADCAP torps, what more could you want?

MBot · 11-16-08, 08:10 AM

I had a look at RA. I can't comment on the doctrine and DB stuff yet, as I only looked at the new playables. The mods looks fun with some interesting adjustments to the interface. Still it often feels a little "frankensteinish". The subs are often ok as long as the plattform is similar to the one it is based on. The Udaloy is quite a strech. I can see myselfe diving for example the Victor III, but on the other hand with only minor changes and the interface of the Akula you have to wonder why not to drive the Akula in the first place.
While I applaude the work that was put into the mod, for me personally it can not replace a high-quality official addon.

I noticed there are loads of new 3d model, including all my models from SCX. It is nice to see that stuff in DW again.

Bill Nichols · 11-16-08, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

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Originally Posted by Castout

I believe that version causes CTD when you try to play the helo and or the Tu-95 plane. It's been a long time I already forgot about it. I'm playing with newer version with working helo and Tu-95 as well as a working playable Typhoon.

why don't we have the updated mod on subguru ?

I downloaded two files, the mod RA and a second file that contained the fixes. Is this not sufficient ?

Ps: i get the crash only with the helo. The Tu-95 works ok.

The files I uploaded are from a website Castout pointed me to. If there is a newer version, I don't have it.

MR. Wood · 11-16-08, 09:54 AM

yep i checked out the helo work ok the bear turns badly at slow speed.

Putting ra mod in mod folder did that make it ok for just give me???

goldorak · 11-16-08, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MBot

I had a look at RA. I can't comment on the doctrine and DB stuff yet, as I only looked at the new playables. The mods looks fun with some interesting adjustments to the interface. Still it often feels a little "frankensteinish". The subs are often ok as long as the plattform is similar to the one it is based on. The Udaloy is quite a strech. I can see myselfe diving for example the Victor III, but on the other hand with only minor changes and the interface of the Akula you have to wonder why not to drive the Akula in the first place.

Lets say you're designing a "cold war scenario" where akula were simply not available.
Or trying to recreate a mission based on some book where akulas are not mentioned, etc... There are lots of reasons to play a victor-iii even if it is very similar to an akula.

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While I applaude the work that was put into the mod, for me personally it can not replace a high-quality official addon.

I noticed there are loads of new 3d model, including all my models from SCX. It is nice to see that stuff in DW again.

I think that everyone agrees with you on this point.
But in the meantime (maybe those 2 mods will "push" SCS to develop an official add-on, who know ?), I'll be having a blast playing on the udaloy and giving hell time to the bubbleheads.

The greatest thing would be to adopt either mod for multiplayer games, for instance the games scheduled on CADC website could use it. Now wouldn't that be cool ?

goldorak · 11-16-08, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MR. Wood

yep i checked out the helo work ok the bear turns badly at slow speed.

Putting ra mod in mod folder did that make it ok for just give me???

very strange, for me on the other hand every time I select the russian helo I have a ctd.
Initially I tried to put the mod directly into the JGSME mod folder and use JGSME but it didn't work so I tried the other more complex way. It works albeit with the helo problem.

suBB · 11-16-08, 11:55 AM

From a mission objective design perspective:

Hands down, this mod addresses a lot of design issues I face(d) in the MP map set I’m working on.

With units that compliment the western platforms, I could have reduced testing, coding and troubleshooting by 2/3!!!!!! And would have had this map set released by now!!
A great deal of time was spent coding AI to be smart, aggressive, tactical and to be just as responsive as humans and to compensate for lack of platforms.

I guess the AT mod accomplishes the same, even though AT can also reduce my mission design by 2/3, the RA mod seems to be more stable than AT3.1 and my understanding is AT3.1 is still WIP.

I can promise you that if I started from scratch and redesign the map set I’m working on (3 maps) for RA, I could have it done 5 times faster than where I am currently for LWAMi, I’m seriously considering redesign pending test results.

The presences of boomers from both sides fall directly in line with my criteria for MP covert / stealth transiting missions, which won’t just be single missions, but part of a series of MP maps tied to the same scenario. Kapitan knows where I’ve been heading with this and the RA mod makes it possible.

I guess in RA we’ll have to get use to some things like:

-Various modes of ordinance operation. I appreciate this because as an akula driver I choose load out based on tube assignment, leaving controllable weapons and ones I desire to reload assigned to inner tubes, expendable weapons and additional salvos in outer tubes. but RA gives you more flexability in this area(i think)

-UUV modes of operation, including a TV camera!!!!. I can use that for deep sea S&R / retrieval missions, which is also part of another design in the future. I haven’t fully tested the RA uuv just yet.

-UUV performance appears to be returned to normal compared to being toned down in LWAMI. I’m on the fence about this. With the UUV sensitivity restored, I’ve heard its like having a mobile tb-29. I’m sure the SSP would also be a contributing factor to uuv effectiveness in RA. Also, the fact that UUVS don’t generate TIWS could be a problem for a scenario that includes transiting – that’s a TBD. I’m sure uuv sensitivity will be welcomed in MP.

However, the fact that launch transients aren’t detectable doesn’t seem realistic.

i've yet to read about anything in details were transients were detectable. I’ve yet to test this but I assume this is true for RA. If so, I’d like to see transients detectable.

Castouts’ workaround of Liquidfuses’ hyper acoustics mod sounds like a must have for the hard-core crowd, which allows you to hear the screws of various submarines on BB. Since it can be worked around for DW, I think that is definitely a must have for any mod.

Some things I need to test / conclude in RA:

1.. AI – fighting force or fodder?. lwami made them beefy, I guess AT has done the same. I’ll also need to create some test scenario where I make AI efficient and monitor the efficiency.

2.. SSP – I need to test SSP performance. So far the layers seem to work in SD. I was pretty happy with lwami. But If RA is at least that or better than that, this is good.

3.. UUV sensitivity vs SSP – just how good is good, or how bad is bad.

4.. other things I don’t know about RA

5.. demand of MP mission objective scenarios for RA - TBD

goldorak · 11-16-08, 12:14 PM

Can someone tell me how to access the TV screen of the uuv

From what station do I see the images ?

SandyCaesar · 11-16-08, 01:07 PM

I think my DW activity just tripled with the discovery of Alfa Tau and OpFor/RA.

Would it be possible to have, at some place (possibly SubGuru, if Mr. Bill Nichols is willing to do all that work), an integrated storage for all the updated versions of the mods? As well as instructions for making OpFor/RA JSGME friendly as per Castout/Goldorak's method, and possibly a list of changes for the versions.

Finally, long-overdue thanks to Raptor_341 and Castout for bringing our attention to these mods.

Man, three different mod packs: LwAmi, AT, and RA. Bring it, DW!

suBB · 11-16-08, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

Can someone tell me how to access the TV screen of the uuv

From what station do I see the images ?

i'm still working on it

i came across UUV TV in the manuals. i've been so excited at RA's performance, haven't done much of anything else.

Raptor_341 · 11-16-08, 05:21 PM

Im also being drawn into the RA camp. It seems to do the models and systems just a touch better than AT 3.1 SubBB im looking forward to your missions, and as said before, i hope to have some of my own out as well. Please keep us posted with your results of testing, ive been doing the same over the last 24 hours as well. I really hope this will bring new life to DW, it has for me, and keep it going MP and SP until or when something better comes our way. We should be able to use RA MP correct? I would like to try it with anyone here who so wishes.

Castout · 11-16-08, 05:39 PM

For those who downloaded Bill''s link to RA. . . .

I have information that in 2 or three days there will be an update to RA to be released to public.

Playable Typhoon is one of the new platform. Probably with a new gepard(Akula II improved/mod) sonar stations too which features a waterline broadband but it's a completely new interface not taken or copied from any other playable subs.
Bugs to helo Ka-27 Tu-95 or any buggy playables will be solved.

I have been playing with newer version of RA than that Bill has provided and it has got less bugs than the 50Mb RA(the one I pay It's still in beta I guess with new features still being added). The typhoon is already playables in the version I play. The final work will be released to public in a couple of days. So hang on tight. The current RA version which I play has a compressed size a little over 70Mb. And that is still not the final version which will be released in a couple of days.

PeriscopeDepth · 11-16-08, 05:40 PM

I'm copying my DW folder now in preparation for an RA install. I played around with AT last night and enjoyed it. Any impressions on how RA plays compared to LWAMI?

PD

PeriscopeDepth · 11-16-08, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castout

For those who downloaded Bill''s link to RA. . . .

I have information that in 2 or three days there will be an update to RA to be released to public.

Playable Typhoon is one of the playables. Probably with a new gepard sonar stations too which features a waterline broadband but it's a completely new interface not taken or copied from any other playable subs.
Bugs to helo Ka-27 Tu-95 or any buggy playables will be solved.

I have been playing with newer version of RA than that Bill has provided and it has got less bugs than the 50Mb RA. The typhoon is already playables in the version I play which I think is not a public release version. The final work will be released to public in a couple of days. So hang on tight.

Thanks Castout! Please keep us updated.

PD

goldorak · 11-16-08, 06:05 PM

Excellent news Castout.
Now we can officially say that DW has come back from the dead. :rotfl:

11-16-08, 06:12 AM	#76
Raptor_341 Loader Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 89 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I second the motion of DWXXX mod. Girls, SLBMs, and ADCAP torps, what more could you want? __________________ MAD MARK, FULL SCALE! Last edited by Raptor_341; 11-16-08 at 06:12 AM.

11-16-08, 11:55 AM	#82
suBB Chief Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 326 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	nice work!!! From a mission objective design perspective: Hands down, this mod addresses a lot of design issues I face(d) in the MP map set I’m working on. With units that compliment the western platforms, I could have reduced testing, coding and troubleshooting by 2/3!!!!!! And would have had this map set released by now!! A great deal of time was spent coding AI to be smart, aggressive, tactical and to be just as responsive as humans and to compensate for lack of platforms. I guess the AT mod accomplishes the same, even though AT can also reduce my mission design by 2/3, the RA mod seems to be more stable than AT3.1 and my understanding is AT3.1 is still WIP. I can promise you that if I started from scratch and redesign the map set I’m working on (3 maps) for RA, I could have it done 5 times faster than where I am currently for LWAMi, I’m seriously considering redesign pending test results. The presences of boomers from both sides fall directly in line with my criteria for MP covert / stealth transiting missions, which won’t just be single missions, but part of a series of MP maps tied to the same scenario. Kapitan knows where I’ve been heading with this and the RA mod makes it possible. I guess in RA we’ll have to get use to some things like: -Various modes of ordinance operation. I appreciate this because as an akula driver I choose load out based on tube assignment, leaving controllable weapons and ones I desire to reload assigned to inner tubes, expendable weapons and additional salvos in outer tubes. but RA gives you more flexability in this area(i think) -UUV modes of operation, including a TV camera!!!!. I can use that for deep sea S&R / retrieval missions, which is also part of another design in the future. I haven’t fully tested the RA uuv just yet. -UUV performance appears to be returned to normal compared to being toned down in LWAMI. I’m on the fence about this. With the UUV sensitivity restored, I’ve heard its like having a mobile tb-29. I’m sure the SSP would also be a contributing factor to uuv effectiveness in RA. Also, the fact that UUVS don’t generate TIWS could be a problem for a scenario that includes transiting – that’s a TBD. I’m sure uuv sensitivity will be welcomed in MP. However, the fact that launch transients aren’t detectable doesn’t seem realistic. i've yet to read about anything in details were transients were detectable. I’ve yet to test this but I assume this is true for RA. If so, I’d like to see transients detectable. Castouts’ workaround of Liquidfuses’ hyper acoustics mod sounds like a must have for the hard-core crowd, which allows you to hear the screws of various submarines on BB. Since it can be worked around for DW, I think that is definitely a must have for any mod. Some things I need to test / conclude in RA: 1.. AI – fighting force or fodder?. lwami made them beefy, I guess AT has done the same. I’ll also need to create some test scenario where I make AI efficient and monitor the efficiency. 2.. SSP – I need to test SSP performance. So far the layers seem to work in SD. I was pretty happy with lwami. But If RA is at least that or better than that, this is good. 3.. UUV sensitivity vs SSP – just how good is good, or how bad is bad. 4.. other things I don’t know about RA 5.. demand of MP mission objective scenarios for RA - TBD __________________ Dynamic Mission Objective MP / Download Available Freelancers’ guild / DW mission objectives MP

11-16-08, 01:07 PM	#84
SandyCaesar Chief Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: HMS Thanatus Posts: 325 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think my DW activity just tripled with the discovery of Alfa Tau and OpFor/RA. Would it be possible to have, at some place (possibly SubGuru, if Mr. Bill Nichols is willing to do all that work), an integrated storage for all the updated versions of the mods? As well as instructions for making OpFor/RA JSGME friendly as per Castout/Goldorak's method, and possibly a list of changes for the versions. Finally, long-overdue thanks to Raptor_341 and Castout for bringing our attention to these mods. Man, three different mod packs: LwAmi, AT, and RA. Bring it, DW! __________________ Vanvikan, Feb. 2009: ordinary human, KIA, night 4 HMS Thanatus, May 2009: ??? human, KIA, night 7

11-16-08, 05:21 PM	#86
Raptor_341 Loader Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 89 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Im also being drawn into the RA camp. It seems to do the models and systems just a touch better than AT 3.1 SubBB im looking forward to your missions, and as said before, i hope to have some of my own out as well. Please keep us posted with your results of testing, ive been doing the same over the last 24 hours as well. I really hope this will bring new life to DW, it has for me, and keep it going MP and SP until or when something better comes our way. We should be able to use RA MP correct? I would like to try it with anyone here who so wishes. __________________ MAD MARK, FULL SCALE!

11-16-08, 05:39 PM	#87
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	For those who downloaded Bill''s link to RA. . . . I have information that in 2 or three days there will be an update to RA to be released to public. Playable Typhoon is one of the new platform. Probably with a new gepard(Akula II improved/mod) sonar stations too which features a waterline broadband but it's a completely new interface not taken or copied from any other playable subs. Bugs to helo Ka-27 Tu-95 or any buggy playables will be solved. I have been playing with newer version of RA than that Bill has provided and it has got less bugs than the 50Mb RA(the one I pay It's still in beta I guess with new features still being added). The typhoon is already playables in the version I play. The final work will be released to public in a couple of days. So hang on tight. The current RA version which I play has a compressed size a little over 70Mb. And that is still not the final version which will be released in a couple of days. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/ Last edited by Castout; 11-16-08 at 05:51 PM.

11-16-08, 08:10 AM	#77
MBot Loader Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 90 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I had a look at RA. I can't comment on the doctrine and DB stuff yet, as I only looked at the new playables. The mods looks fun with some interesting adjustments to the interface. Still it often feels a little "frankensteinish". The subs are often ok as long as the plattform is similar to the one it is based on. The Udaloy is quite a strech. I can see myselfe diving for example the Victor III, but on the other hand with only minor changes and the interface of the Akula you have to wonder why not to drive the Akula in the first place. While I applaude the work that was put into the mod, for me personally it can not replace a high-quality official addon. I noticed there are loads of new 3d model, including all my models from SCX. It is nice to see that stuff in DW again.

11-16-08, 09:54 AM	#79
MR. Wood Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Obetz, Ohio Posts: 182 Downloads: 170 Uploads: 5	yep i checked out the helo work ok the bear turns badly at slow speed. Putting ra mod in mod folder did that make it ok for just give me???

11-16-08, 12:14 PM	#83
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Can someone tell me how to access the TV screen of the uuv From what station do I see the images ?

11-16-08, 05:40 PM	#88
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I'm copying my DW folder now in preparation for an RA install. I played around with AT last night and enjoyed it. Any impressions on how RA plays compared to LWAMI? PD

11-16-08, 06:05 PM	#90
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Excellent news Castout. Now we can officially say that DW has come back from the dead. :rotfl: