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Problem with russian ASM missiles is most are very heavy large bulky chunks of metal take the SS-N-19 to put it into context its like a very mini ballistic missile (it is a cruise misile) the thing is huge it would dwarf a harpoon or tomahawk which is why you see only the Oscar class SSGN carry them in special tubes and they only carry 24 of them, also to note larger surface warships the kirov class and kuznetsov carry the shipwreck known as P-700 Granit.
The SS-N-22 Sunburn (latest one) is again very large you find these on sovremenny class DDG's but are too large to go into a submarine also factor in some of these missiles are not the standard 1000lb wieght you may get with a harpoon SS-N-19 wieghs some where in the region of 7 tonnes of which 750kg of that 3/4 of a tonne is a warhead thats if it is fitted with a conventional H.E warhead. The soviets normaly paired thier SSGN and SSN's in co-ordinated waves you would find that should an attack happen the SSGN would fire off all thier missiles in one hit leaving the SSN to pick of straglers while they run back home to re arm. In short personally the SS-N-19 and SS-N-22 missiles in my opinion leave the harpoon and tomahawk veriants behind a great distance they are larger faster and could easily take out a DDG or a CG and two or three maybe a CVN. If you notice at the time of the cold war russia developed diffrent types of submarine you had the diesels which despite all belief were never ment to be hunting around the atlantic they did only because at the time nuclear submarines were quite unreliable this is first and early second generation here. You had in development early on the november class attack submarine the hotel class Ballistic missile submarine and also the echo class guided missile submarine but each did have a diesel counterpart not as a back up but mainly to also boost numbers and also have a more provoking presence at sea in numbers. The echo was counterparted in diesel form by the juliette class Hotel counterparted with the golf class and the novembers with the foxtrots. Most of the torpedos used buy the russians are pretty nifty bits of kit 65-76 although it has atributed i believe to the most major disaster in submarine history still is used today and is pretty good for what it does however; The USN uses only the MK48ADCAP as thier main torpedo the british use spearfish they are multi role units can attack ships or submarines easily and to me that is the way forward why have 6 types of torpedo to do 2 jobs when you can build just one type that can do both not only save money but the simplicity involved, also british and american submarines are all fitted with 21inch torpedo tubes another great achievement that simplyfies things. The russian just make it complex although thier akulas have 14 torpedo tubes great wonderful a massivly armed vessel 6 of the 14 tubes are useless as you cant re load them at sea. Another 4 of the tubes are 65cm tubes made specificaly to carry and fire weapons like the 65-76 again a big handicap here a larger torpedo takes more space and i dont know if you can fire a 21inch torpedo out of a 25inch tube (aint 100% about that) So what are you left with once you fired all the 65cm torpedos and the outer 6 tubes ? four just four tubes to squeeze 21inch torpedos down to me waste of effort and money. You find that they have 3 torpedos that can do anti submarine warfare another 3 that can do anti surface warfare 1 torpedo while is great on paper is utterly useless (yes i refer to the skhval) and another 3 that is multi role can do both. now each has diffrent specs and ranges and performance capabilitys and what ever then we get into the ASW Rockets SS-N-16 stallion great weapon the USN abandoned subroc many years ago why because it wasnt really fesable uhha now this is where the americans handicapped themselves. maybe a russian sub got the drop on that 688i 40 miles away he can fire on that 688i but the 688i cant fire back out of range one handicap but on the other hand launching either the SS-N-16 or 27 makes a heck of alot of noise so he will know a rough area of where you are and my humble opinion is western torpedos are acctually better than russian its the one good development they made. The biggest handicap for the USN was the ceased production of TASM which is the anti ship missile tomahawk version it means they have to rely on the very slow 510knot harpoon which to be honest is a bit of a pathetic excuse of a missile im sorry i just dont like harpoons you would be better off with exocet, but the russians excelled in ASM weaponry (missiles) the SS-N-19 is 7tonnes yes far larger the harpoon can reach 80nm the SS-N-19 can go to 250nm the harpoon can travel at 510knots about the speed of a 747 the SS-N-19 travels at mach 2+ (some sources reported upto mach 4.5) To give a good insight into the shipwreck SS-N-19 the missile is some 30feet long and has a diamiter of nearly 2.5 feet which is why only three types of vessels can carry them and they dont carry them in great numbers. Kirovs only carry about 24 of them the kuznetsov about 12 and the oscars 24 they have a great target data and guidence systems if you fire them in swarms one climbs to 20,000 feet gives updates to every other missile if its shot down another takes its place untill it hits target http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-700_Granit This is for the SS-N-19 more reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskit This is about the SS-N-22 Sunburn another good missile smaller than the shipwreck found on the sovvys and can be air launched also. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval This is for the VA-111 Shkval in my own opinion this torpedo is more of a propaganda stunt than something of any major importance simply because when fired its not wire guided its a dumb torpedo it has no guidence and is fired in the general direction of the enamy in the vain hope to shoe it away, in many ways this torpedo is a bit like you with a slipper trying to stop a dog urinating on the carpet of your lounge its a nifty toy to "scare" the west but in fact its little more then a lump of metal that goes bang somewhere near an enamy submarine, this i do believe was more to scare than to actually fight in a war but give it time it may change. In all the russians i do believe have the upper hand when it comes to having a good missile to take down a ship but the americans and british have thee best torpedos in which to sink ships one day we will be intelligent enough to combine the two. My take on world weapons is as follows britian creates something its great it works its practical. America sees the british sucess and says we will have that and do this to it and its all flash but still practical. The germans see the americans and go yes ve vill have this and make it bigger and more reliable, again practical. Then the russians come along they go hmm lets take that away but make it massive to out do america then show them what we got, reality they got something flash that doesnt work and is useless (some of the time) because sometimes they do get it right oddly enough! I hope you enjoyed that little short or as i call him ASH !regards hope you liked the brief over view of stuff here, hope it helps kinda sorta.
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