(German) Die Größe des Verlierers

Skybird · 11-07-08, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewolf

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And we have Nazi demonstrations and skinheads holding up Nazi paroles. are they representative for all those who are unhappy with the government, or german policies?

Don't give the booers so much credit, neither on MacCain's rallies (whom do you expect there? Democrats? Humanitarians? Atheists?) nor here in this forum. They are a part of american society, but they are not the majority of it. On TV they also showed a lot of Republican voters, who understood the social and cultural changes that took place in their home areas over the past years, and resulted in the vote as it is, and maybe they were not happy with Obama's win, but they accepted that time and mood are changing - that's life.

A population is represented by it's most vocal members. If these are set lose, and the majority stays quiet, even in the case they are of different opinion, then it's their own fault. That is why Germany deserved what it got in WW2, and that is why other countries are judged by the actions of such ppl as well.

What was the phrase like again? Evil suceeds when the good guys look away or something? Anyways that is what it is all about. This does not apply to countries only, but ideologies in general.

The most "vocal members" are a small part of that group that lost this election, if I may remind you.

I understand where you come from (and I claim the same thing like you regarding Islam and Muhammedan subculture in Germany and in the West, so I truly undestand your argument indeed). But not only do these vocal members represent a smaller group inside their own camp, but they even have been actively engaged and driven back by the majoirty of the whole national population. If anything the election was not a display of lacking interest. More people than ever before went voting. And that was not to allow the most vocal group representing them any longer.

11-07-08, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by Bewolf

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And we have Nazi demonstrations and skinheads holding up Nazi paroles. are they representative for all those who are unhappy with the government, or german policies?

Don't give the booers so much credit, neither on MacCain's rallies (whom do you expect there? Democrats? Humanitarians? Atheists?) nor here in this forum. They are a part of american society, but they are not the majority of it. On TV they also showed a lot of Republican voters, who understood the social and cultural changes that took place in their home areas over the past years, and resulted in the vote as it is, and maybe they were not happy with Obama's win, but they accepted that time and mood are changing - that's life.

A population is represented by it's most vocal members. If these are set lose, and the majority stays quiet, even in the case they are of different opinion, then it's their own fault. That is why Germany deserved what it got in WW2, and that is why other countries are judged by the actions of such ppl as well.

What was the phrase like again? Evil suceeds when the good guys look away or something? Anyways that is what it is all about. This does not apply to countries only, but ideologies in general.

The most "vocal members" are a small part of that group that lost this election, if I may remind you.

I understand where you come from (and I claim the same thing like you regarding Islam and Muhammedan subculture in Germany and in the West, so I truly undestand your argument indeed). But not only do these vocal members represent a smaller group inside their own camp, but they even have been actively engaged and driven back by the majoirty of the whole national population. If anything the election was not a display of lacking interest. More people than ever before went voting. And that was not to allow the most vocal group representing them any longer.

In this last point I agree. But that's already observable here and abroad. This election certainly raised confidence in the american population itself. But keep in mind, these same ppl also elected Bush into office a second term back then, despite knowing all the stuff, after been lied to openly and after Bushs horrific foreign policy was out in the open already. They knew, and voted him anyways. This was the point where it was not regarded as Bush mistakes over anotherwise great country anymore...after this second election america as a whole was, rightfully or not, seen as a monster. A country so driven by fear it threw everything over board that made it so great in the first place, above all the stance for global human rights. It's only now this is to hopefully change again. The more suprising the positive reactions whereever you look. So I do not think at all it is fair to use this comparison to do a little bit of Schröder bashing in a pretty conservative newspaper.

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Look at this thread, Skybird.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=144109
Grown up, mature and, of that I am sure, very respectable men more then willing to share a beer should we ever meet them in real life. Nevertheless, look at these kinds of reactions. Now look how many other of their own party hold them in check, making up for it, staying descent above their understandable emotions and thus safe that partys reputation? This never happend over here, this scale, with such bitterness.