More religious violence: India

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Rilder

Not to offend but didn't Christianity play a major part in a bunch of wars called the "Crusades"

No offense ether, but if you knew your history, you would know it was the Muslims that started this. There were 5 crusades to rescue the lands that were taken, but this is a long story and outside the scope of this thread.

What do they teach in schools these days anyway? Not much i see. Maybe the Muslims have found a way to keep this out or twist it somehow?

-S

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

No offense ether, but if you knew your history, you would know it was the Muslims that started this. There were 5 crusades to rescue the lands that were taken, but this is a long story and outside the scope of this thread.

What do they teach in schools these days anyway? Not much i see. Maybe the Muslims have found a way to keep this out or twist it somehow?

-S

Actually, no. The First Crusade which sparked the others was caused by the Christians. They decided that they couldn't allow the blasphemy of Muslims to reach the ears of their people. Imams traveled the Europeans lands (came close to their borders, anyway), and preached the Quran. Intolerance is all it was.

Pope Urban II launched the First Crusade in 1095.

Pope Eugene III launched the Second Crusade in 1147.

The European Kings came together and launched the Third Crusade in 1189.

Pope (The-Not-So) Innocent III launched the Fourth Crusade in 1202.

Pope (Un) Honorius III launched the Fifth Crusade.

The Holy Roman Empire launched the Sixth Crusade.

France led the Seventh Crusade.

France led the Eighth Crusade.

England and France led the Ninth and final Crusade.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Actually, no. The First Crusade which sparked the others was caused by the Christians. They decided that they couldn't allow the blasphemy of Muslims to reach the ears of their people. Imams traveled the Europeans lands (came close to their borders, anyway), and preached the Quran. Intolerance is all it was.

Pope Urban II launched the First Crusade in 1095.

Pope Eugene III launched the Second Crusade in 1147.

The European Kings came together and launched the Third Crusade in 1189.

Pope (The-Not-So) Innocent III launched the Fourth Crusade in 1202.

Pope (Un) Honorius III launched the Fifth Crusade.

The Holy Roman Empire launched the Sixth Crusade.

France led the Seventh Crusade.

France led the Eighth Crusade.

England and France led the Ninth and final Crusade.

5 Major ones. The last were minor.

And no - you are wrong. The Muslims invaded what is now Spain, and they took over the holy lands as well.

-S

PS. Some history for you (since I obviously have to hold you hand):

The Crusades were a series of military campaigns during the time of Medieval England against the Muslims of the Middle East. In 1076, the Muslims had captured Jerusalem - the most holy of holy places for Christians. Jesus had been born in nearby Bethlehem and Jesus had spent most of his life in Jerusalem. He was crucified on Calvary Hill, also in Jerusalem. There was no more important place on Earth than Jerusalem for a true Christian which is why Christians called Jerusalem the "City of God".

However, Jerusalem was also extremely important for the Muslims as Muhammad, the founder of the Muslim faith, had been there and there was great joy in the Muslim world when Jerusalem was captured. A beautiful dome - called the Dome of the Rock - was built on the rock where Muhammad was said to have sat and prayed and it was so holy that no Muslim was allowed to tread on the rock or touch it when visiting the Dome.

Therefore the Christian fought to get Jerusalem back while the Muslims fought to keep Jerusalem. These wars were to last nearly 200 years

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Actually, no. The First Crusade which sparked the others was caused by the Christians. They decided that they couldn't allow the blasphemy of Muslims to reach the ears of their people. Imams traveled the Europeans lands (came close to their borders, anyway), and preached the Quran. Intolerance is all it was.

You are kidding us, yes? the spreading military drive of Islam and the taking of the former Judaic-Christian province of Judea of course had nothing to do with it, as had the military threatening to the North-West and Konstantinopel nothing to do with it as well.

Poor Islam, just suffered from the intolerance of those evil European stupid Christians. what do we learn from your version of history? IOf Islam expands aggressoiveoly, that is okay, and when others try to resist and defend against that expansion and try to take back what had been lost with the same aggressiveness, then it is not okay. islam may do, what others are not allowed to do.

Who had conquered the greater territories and occupied them for longer time: The Christians in the former Roman Christian provinces, or Islam in Southern, South-western, south-Eastern and Central Europe, and the roman provinces in northern Africa and the Middle East?

The typical double-.standards that you find so very often in islam, and the Quaran. On one page there is the candy and the honey, and some pages later the loud-sounding "BUT...!" gets explained that take the former sweet words back or put them into relations that chnage their meaning completely, and candy and honey suddenly turn into salt and vinegar. The first, the seeties, is given to declare any defense against Islam as injustice, and the second, the salty stuff, is used to press islamic agendas by force, declaring resistance to it illegal by the first.

Two tongues in Muhammad's mouth. At Medina he talked of peace and seize-fire - and one day later commited genocide against those whom he promised both. The only reason for that was that his narcissistic ego felt offended that their scholars were brighter and better educated than himself.