Slam McCain/Palin (merged)

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Lets face it, the media coverage on the campaign has done nothing but distract in the name of ratings.

I would say the campaining circus itself has done nothing but distract in the name of ratings - and it is designed and inteded to do that.

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I would not talk of "un-american" activities, for two reasons. First, Palin holds the American citizenship, which is a formality, but formally her activities are that of an American, and anyway: who would define what is american and un-American behavior? And second, for historical reasons: the Nazis tried to "verunglimpfen" (disparage?) everything that did not fit into their world view or was critical of Nazi idelogy as "undeutsch", there was un-German art, and un-german literature, and not supporting the Führer of course also was un-german. You cannot evade this comparsion like you cannot evade the linking of the Swastika to Nazi symbology, although it has existed before.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I would say the campaining circus itself has done nothing but distract in the name of ratings - and it is designed and inteded to do that.

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I would not talk of "un-american" activities, for two reasons. First, Palin holds the American citizenship, which is a formality, but formally her activities are that of an American, and anyway: who would define what is american and un-American behavior? And second, for historical reasons: the Nazis tried to "verunglimpfen" (disparage?) everything that did not fit into their world view or was critical of Nazi idelogy as "undeutsch", there was un-German art, and un-german literature, and not supporting the Führer of course also was un-german. You cannot evade this comparsion like you cannot evade the linking of the Swastika to Nazi symbology, although it has existed before.

The Swastika is and will always be villafied and rightly so. Certainly, American and Un-American can be defined but there will always be a shade of gray. The reason is it is our right to have a shade of gray. Everyone disparage things that do not fit into their world or how the world should be in their view. It is human nature to do so.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I would say the campaining circus itself has done nothing but distract in the name of ratings - and it is designed and inteded to do that.

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I would not talk of "un-american" activities, for two reasons. First, Palin holds the American citizenship, which is a formality, but formally her activities are that of an American, and anyway: who would define what is american and un-American behavior? And second, for historical reasons: the Nazis tried to "verunglimpfen" (disparage?) everything that did not fit into their world view or was critical of Nazi idelogy as "undeutsch", there was un-German art, and un-german literature, and not supporting the Führer of course also was un-german. You cannot evade this comparsion like you cannot evade the linking of the Swastika to Nazi symbology, although it has existed before.

Yes and no. Firstly, if the argument is: choose between A party or B party and both parties are presenting arguments WITHIN the system then yes, that is not un-American. And as you correctly point out Skybird parties have called other parties WITHIN the system un-patriotic on policy issues because it rallies their base. We had it here in SA between the far right and the left for years. If you voted for the opposition you were un-South African. The AIP is different - it calls for a WITHDRAWALL from the political sytem (i.e. the USA). This is a totaly different ball game from playing WITHIN the system. This says you want 'out' - and as such, the un- prefix is then quite is justifiiable.