A spooky story - your assessment, please

[Oberon]

:hmm: My opinion on the whole UFO is that until one comes and does a fly past over me in daylight I'm still not 100% sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have had the odd ship passing through. It's a big galaxy after all, likewise it's also entirely possible that the airforce has things they like to play with that we don't know about.
I have seen many videos, but technology these days can fake most things. However, in your case Sky, knowing your background and your objective analysis on the subject, this makes for something not quite so dismissable as some of the other 'evidence' I've seen.
I recommend you get in touch with your local airport, you say that there was an airliner banking sharply nearby, which indicates that whatever was up there was seen by the crew and possibly showed up on radar. You might be met by a wall of silence, you might get an explanation. Whether that explanation fits with what you witnessed, that's the crunch factor.
Good luck, and keep watching the skies, as they say


Oh, and here's another one which has had me puzzling, caution, strong Peckham language:

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SandyCaesar

Well, there's the technical definition of a UFO: unidentified flying object. Any blip on an AWACS screen that hasn't been ID'd yet is technically a UFO. As we haven't figured these out yet, they're UFOs.

BtW, I noticed that on the second photo, the red dots are blurred--you attributed this to camera movement. However, interestingly enough, the blue dot is stationary, where in the first shot it was moving, too.

The blue dot was asked for before. It is a panel light seen through the windows of the office building - you can see the vague scheme of it at the bottom in the middle. Or it is a PC monitor they forgot to switch off. The orange dots however are like small trails or lines because of hand movement - in reality they were round, and cratsyl clear and sharp single dots, of warm, soft orange glow. the zig-zagging blue light I talked of is not on the photos, it as so fast and always just half a second or so visible that it was sheer luck that I even realised it.

On the bright sky, I said that I have increased brightness and contrast to make something visible. Exposure was just one second and ISO 100. This is what the original pic looks like:



paste and copy it into your paint program, then increase brightness.

I had to make a decision, to fiddle around with the camera and probably ending up with messy shoots neverthelss, but having missed somethign in the sky, or try to make best observation I could by using the binocular. I decided for the latter.

[Task Force]

The alien version of Star Trek, with the enterprise.:hmm: Maby there ploting a plot to take over the world...:hmm: They wouldnt be getting much, they actualy might be a injustice to there selfs.:rotfl:

[LobsterBoy]

I don't feel qualified to be able to tell you what you saw or didn't see, but I can tell you about winds. They absolutely can move in different directions at different altitudes. It's part of why we get tornadoes here in the middle of the US. Winds are also generally faster the higher the altitude and aircraft that find a 200-300 knot jet stream at 30,000 ft can obviously change their fuel consumption. Perhaps you can find a source that records upper air readings and see if that helps you understand the environment that existed at the time.

[Skybird]

these are the flying lantirns I spoke of, made of rice-paper that does not burn. the colour matches what I saw, however, as I said I have a problem regarding their resistance to wind direction, their altitude and speed, etc. But despite the problems, so far the best theory I have. Just not really convincing. especially wind direction and speed is problematic.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by LobsterBoy

I don't feel qualified to be able to tell you what you saw or didn't see, but I can tell you about winds. They absolutely can move in different directions at different altitudes. It's part of why we get tornadoes here in the middle of the US. Winds are also generally faster the higher the altitude and aircraft that find a 200-300 knot jet stream at 30,000 ft can obviously change their fuel consumption. Perhaps you can find a source that records upper air readings and see if that helps you understand the environment that existed at the time.

Yes, I was not able to go deep into different winds at different altitudes thing, although I considered it. what I found was the moving radar maps of rain in our weather services, and by that and the fact that a stormfront is moving into Germany coming from the norethSea, NW, I conclude that there is a general wind direction of NW to SE - the rain is moving from the upper left to the bottom right corner of the animated radar map.

Well, I am not qualified to assess this variable in all professionalism though. Could very well be that I see it too simple.

[LobsterBoy]

I don't know much about European weather, but my guess is that if it was a front was moving through that the upper winds would also be generally NW to SE. Sorry I can't help more, but my wife and sister are the real weather geeks.

[Frame57]

If you are sure of the speed of these things then maybe not meteorites, but FYI the Orionid meteor showers begin in October and from your local they would be seen best looking in a southerly direction.

[Task Force]

Even though this is not topic for this, It kind of relates to this topic. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/...ronaut_s_diary Anyone remember the space shuttle Columbia.

[kiwi_2005]

I was going to say at first get a cat scan on the brain as seeing bright lights can be early signs of a brain tumor. But then i saw the pictures you put up, so dont worry about that scan it wont be needed.

Sometimes meteorite storms can be seen with the naked eye, although far out in space they show up as lights moving very fast.

Im pretty much open minded with UFO's I think they are out there.

[Respenus]

Well I saw a trail of light about two nights ago. It went really fast, barely saw it happen, yet it looked orange. I thought it was some sort of space debris or a mini-meteorite burning up in the atmosphere.

You do realise that this looks very similar to how the Jules Verne (ESA ATV) burnt up in the atmosphere? It could have been some left over debris from it, or from some other space flight?

I have yet to find the answer to the formation you saw. It could be possible, that it was just the angle from which you saw it. It might have been closer together, like a clump, yet from a different angle looked like a formation?

I'm sure it was something innocent. Just don't go to the police, or they'll tell they were only "meteorological balloons".

[Letum]

This sounds like a meteorite shower to me. As it was in the west and in early
October, I would bet it was the start of the Draconid shower, although there are 2
other major showers this October and numerous weaker ones. All are visible.

You might want to check with your local observatory.

[Skybird]

One would expect a meteorite shower not to behave like a long string of sportplanes, I assume, and not moving at constant altitude. I can't get it together with that theory.

Assume you see a sportsplane in the sky like it often happens, and at a range that you can clearly see wings, body, tail. The speed of that plane moving roughly matches what the orange dots were moving at. The were not cluttered, I'm sure, but appeared in a long string, best a double column, each following roughly in the path of those in the lead. I indeed looked like slow motion of tracer, with non-regular spacing.

I have meanwhile called the airport. they reconnected me three times and with whom and where I talked of in the end, I canot say with confidence. Thy said they know of nothing, and told me about those flying lantirns. I would be willing to accpe that, but I also told them abut the plane banking turning sharp to the left. and here they immediately turned icy and cut the talk short and ended it. That could be becaue the pilot sqaw something. It could be becasue he did that manouver and it was non-routine, but for a very different reason they wish to hide. It could be becasue they think I anted to give them a bad name.

I also called a frined, who called somebody who knows somebody, and finally I was talking with a guy from the Wilhelm-Förster Sternwarte in Berlin. He said that for last night no cosmic pohenomenons, like swarms of shooting stars or meteorite swarms were expected in europe. He also said that it would look different in colour and speeds.

However, i want this thing sorted, and do not wish to leave it as an UFO thing, so I am willing to go with the lantirn-theory, and the contradictions I see probably due to lacking knowledge and understanding of weather behavior of mine.

http://www.westfaelische-nachrichten...vw=lok-bor-bor

[Hitman]

Sometimes fog, mist, a cloud, or an airlayer of special density which also holds pollution can act as a cinema screen, so that powerful lights projected form elsewhere (F.e. Lasers from a Disco, fireworks, etc.) form strange results there. Reverberation of light in the atmosphere has sometimes such effects.

Judging from your pictures it seems to me possible that those are just reflections in the air of something originated elsewhere (Though of course you have seen them moving and might judge the pattern better).

[Skybird]

As I alredy said, definitely no light reflections, also no fata morgana or something. the things were visible in a region of the sky that held no clouds, but showed the stars. It also was far too bright in contrast, and too clear an image. I know what you mean, we have it being done at times of public festivals. But last night was not of that kind, definitely.