So riddle me this? - Page 2

onelifecrisis · 10-02-08, 05:04 PM

Should be fine. I played games all my childhood and I turned out...
On second thought, bad idea!!! :rotfl:

10-02-08, 05:28 PM

I'd bet the kid watches the news on TV.
You see death and destruction there on a grand scale!!
And that's real stuff.

Any 11 year old is smart enuff to know what is real
and what is just a Game.
(I raised 3 of the little Demons and at 11 years old
I didn't worry about Video Games!!)

The Life Boats mod shows nothing really bad.
Heck!
Old versions of Quake were worse!

Murr44 · 10-03-08, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by privateer

I'd bet the kid watches the news on TV.
You see death and destruction there on a grand scale!!
And that's real stuff.

Any 11 year old is smart enuff to know what is real
and what is just a Game.
(I raised 3 of the little Demons and at 11 years old
I didn't worry about Video Games!!)

The Life Boats mod shows nothing really bad.
Heck!
Old versions of Quake were worse!

I know that the Lifeboat mod is pretty tame compared to some of the crap that's out there. All that I'm saying is that hearing men screaming for help & seeing floating corpses might be a little much for a kid who normally plays cartoonish games like Mario, etc. Maybe his mother monitors what he's allowed to watch on tv & doesn't like him watching news stories with violence & gore. It's a moot point anyway as she'll will be the one to decide what goes on his pc.

Mittelwaechter · 10-03-08, 06:50 AM

Violence is part of our society and kids are confronted with it every day as we all are. Often we don't even recognize or reflect on it, we simply accept it.

If this kid were my son, I'd let him play the game, but make him think and maybe write about the fate and feelings of the people at the other end of a weapons trigger. How would it affect his own life, if his father or brother - or even his mom - would be killed by some foreign military action. He would have to learn that there is no glory in killing other people - no matter what your government tells you, no matter how cool and male the weapon systems seem to be.

We grow the next generation of violent and bellicose or pacific and cooperative people. If we ever want to end this spiral of violence, we have to start with our own attitude and with the way we teach our children.

- Doesn't this swimming cap make me look stupid?

10-03-08, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

- Doesn't this swimming cap make me look stupid?

I would say it is a fashion risk I myself would not take. :rotfl:

Jimbuna · 10-03-08, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamingboat

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Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

- Doesn't this swimming cap make me look stupid?

I would say it is a fashion risk I myself would not take. :rotfl:

LMAO

U-104 · 10-03-08, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamingboat

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Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

- Doesn't this swimming cap make me look stupid?

I would say it is a fashion risk I myself would not take. :rotfl:

10-03-08, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kylania

He already watches you play and sometimes helps right? It should be just fine for him. When I was 11 I'd already been playing complex RPG games and boardgames on my own for a while. Don't underestimate him.

As for the value of it, surely history would be an important part. But also things like thinking spatially, math, timings, trigonometry, geometry, navigation skills, nautical knowledge, judgment, self preservation and lots of other skills. Not to mention computer skills if you let him install it and explain how save files and config files work and where and how mods are installed and affect the game. Also a better understanding of his computer stats and equipment and how it runs games. Something he'll totally miss out on should he only play xBox.

I agree,Let him play,My son is 10yrs of age & Finds sh4 Easy Peasy,But GWX Is A no go for him at the moment,Let him play,its certainly better that xbox or Playstation for him.

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predavolk · 10-03-08, 11:34 AM

There's a mountain of reliable evidence showing that violent video games (or TV, books, etc.) increase violent behavior. People model their behavior based on others (especially children). However, you have to remember that:

1- This increase isn't necessarily very big, and can be countered by positive role-models. Watching or playing violent content doesn't radically turn people into violent creatures, it just makes them more violent than when they started watching. For a non-violent kid, playing SH3, I wouldn't expect any increase to worry about. Say, 0.01% from baseline. Statistically significant, but practically meaningless.

2- Because the violence in SH3 is very removed. Disable the external camera, and all you can see is bits of debris flying off the boat 1,000 meters/yards away! Not very graphic, and the kind of violence in the game is pretty hard for kids to emulate unless they have their own sub! In which case, they're spoiled and should give it to me!

3- Consider what the alternative to SH3 will be. Mario involves violence- jumping on heads, throwing fireballs, etc. Its cartoon-like nature is designed to lessen the impact of the modelling, but it's still there. So SH3, overall, might actually be a poorer model of violence (less applicable) and thus could reduce the child's overall aggression compared to the baseline of playing Mario!

So I certainly don't see any problem with an 11-year old playing the game. As others have mentioned, there's the added bonus about understanding a very important part of history's biggest and most important war. Win-win if you ask me!

FIREWALL · 10-03-08, 11:46 AM

@ Jimbuna 7+ huh! No wonder some of us are haveing so much trouble with this game. :p :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Jimbuna · 10-03-08, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

@ Jimbuna 7+ huh! No wonder some of us are haveing so much trouble with this game. :p :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Murr44 · 10-03-08, 01:04 PM

To be honest the Lifeboat mod kind of bothered me a little bit when I first started using it. I felt a little guilty leaving those guys out there to die like that. I'm 45 & I'm just wondering if that mod might prey on an 11 year-old boy's conscience...

onelifecrisis · 10-03-08, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by predavolk

There's a mountain of reliable evidence showing that violent video games (or TV, books, etc.) increase violent behavior.

HuskerNlincoln · 10-03-08, 03:25 PM

Hey Hunters, I appreciate all the input, all great points, I too am 45 and yes the life boat mod messed with me a moment, I think I posted that somewhere.

I guess it all boils down to the fact that he is a smart mature kid, with the usual things to worry about, home work, school killing british merchant ships, sink everything in the western approaches. Its a game and as long as his mom, is aware of what the game is about and I know she manages his time well. If it's just treated as any other game, no big deal, maybe he can just go on and enjoy it as he would any other game.

And when its time to play, he'll enjoy it for what it is, and then like the rest of us when he steps away from it, he'll be just like every other little kid, except when riding his bike and a car goes by, he'll be trying to fiqure out the best angle to put a torp into it.

RIGHT?

Task Force · 10-03-08, 03:29 PM

SH would be quite good for him I think, With GWX and a couple of other historical mods, He might learn alittle more about WW2 than at school without the editing that is done to the books.

I think this would be better for him than most games, He learns history, alittle math, managment.

Sh With GWX, and mods is a learning experience.

10-02-08, 05:04 PM	#16
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Should be fine. I played games all my childhood and I turned out... On second thought, bad idea!!! :rotfl: __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

10-03-08, 06:50 AM	#19
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Violence is part of our society and kids are confronted with it every day as we all are. Often we don't even recognize or reflect on it, we simply accept it. If this kid were my son, I'd let him play the game, but make him think and maybe write about the fate and feelings of the people at the other end of a weapons trigger. How would it affect his own life, if his father or brother - or even his mom - would be killed by some foreign military action. He would have to learn that there is no glory in killing other people - no matter what your government tells you, no matter how cool and male the weapon systems seem to be. We grow the next generation of violent and bellicose or pacific and cooperative people. If we ever want to end this spiral of violence, we have to start with our own attitude and with the way we teach our children. - Doesn't this swimming cap make me look stupid? __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

10-03-08, 11:46 AM	#25
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	@ Jimbuna 7+ huh! No wonder some of us are haveing so much trouble with this game. :p :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

10-03-08, 03:25 PM	#29
HuskerNlincoln Gunner Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lincoln NE Home of The Huskers Posts: 97 Downloads: 272 Uploads: 0	Hey Hunters, I appreciate all the input, all great points, I too am 45 and yes the life boat mod messed with me a moment, I think I posted that somewhere. I guess it all boils down to the fact that he is a smart mature kid, with the usual things to worry about, home work, school killing british merchant ships, sink everything in the western approaches. Its a game and as long as his mom, is aware of what the game is about and I know she manages his time well. If it's just treated as any other game, no big deal, maybe he can just go on and enjoy it as he would any other game. And when its time to play, he'll enjoy it for what it is, and then like the rest of us when he steps away from it, he'll be just like every other little kid, except when riding his bike and a car goes by, he'll be trying to fiqure out the best angle to put a torp into it. RIGHT? __________________ HuskerNLincoln http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin...ting-leigh.jpg

10-03-08, 03:29 PM	#30
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	SH would be quite good for him I think, With GWX and a couple of other historical mods, He might learn alittle more about WW2 than at school without the editing that is done to the books. I think this would be better for him than most games, He learns history, alittle math, managment. Sh With GWX, and mods is a learning experience. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

10-02-08, 05:28 PM	#17
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I'd bet the kid watches the news on TV. You see death and destruction there on a grand scale!! And that's real stuff. Any 11 year old is smart enuff to know what is real and what is just a Game. (I raised 3 of the little Demons and at 11 years old I didn't worry about Video Games!!) The Life Boats mod shows nothing really bad. Heck! Old versions of Quake were worse!

10-03-08, 11:34 AM	#24
predavolk Weps Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 369 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There's a mountain of reliable evidence showing that violent video games (or TV, books, etc.) increase violent behavior. People model their behavior based on others (especially children). However, you have to remember that: 1- This increase isn't necessarily very big, and can be countered by positive role-models. Watching or playing violent content doesn't radically turn people into violent creatures, it just makes them more violent than when they started watching. For a non-violent kid, playing SH3, I wouldn't expect any increase to worry about. Say, 0.01% from baseline. Statistically significant, but practically meaningless. 2- Because the violence in SH3 is very removed. Disable the external camera, and all you can see is bits of debris flying off the boat 1,000 meters/yards away! Not very graphic, and the kind of violence in the game is pretty hard for kids to emulate unless they have their own sub! In which case, they're spoiled and should give it to me! 3- Consider what the alternative to SH3 will be. Mario involves violence- jumping on heads, throwing fireballs, etc. Its cartoon-like nature is designed to lessen the impact of the modelling, but it's still there. So SH3, overall, might actually be a poorer model of violence (less applicable) and thus could reduce the child's overall aggression compared to the baseline of playing Mario! So I certainly don't see any problem with an 11-year old playing the game. As others have mentioned, there's the added bonus about understanding a very important part of history's biggest and most important war. Win-win if you ask me!

10-03-08, 01:04 PM	#27
Murr44 Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 913 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	To be honest the Lifeboat mod kind of bothered me a little bit when I first started using it. I felt a little guilty leaving those guys out there to die like that. I'm 45 & I'm just wondering if that mod might prey on an 11 year-old boy's conscience...