Sarah Palin - A closer look

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Foxtrot

She's the best candidate for presidential elections in future.
and yes....she will get votes

That will definitely speak against these voters. If this is "the best candidate for presidential elections in the future", then God himself obviously already has turned his back on his very own country, and have rent it to his old buddy Lucifer to sack some additional fun-cash. Having voted for Bush the first time, eventually could be forgiven for reasons of not seen him in office before. having voted for him a second term, falls back on those who did so. after Bush running twice, now voting for a combo including Palin - is unforgivable. It will rightfully earn shame, mockery and laughter, well-deserved. The Us will alienate former friends and allies even more than it already did over the past years. with an economy in decline and the end of the American economic and financial domination in the world having begun with the current crisis (nothing different it means, if only you read the signs correctly), and other powers (India, China, Brazil, also Russia, EU) standing ready to take over and seal the end of the american empire, this maybe is not the most clever move to secure one's own place in the future world that will shape in the next 2-5 decades - world in which america will no longer be the dominant leading power anymore, but will be just one player amongst several others, and will eventually suffer payback from all those it did push too much in the years when it was the strong leader in the block.

I foind it amazing that still a majority does not see that the current fincial crisis and tzhe economic crisis following in its wake has most drastic conseqeucnes in strategic shifts on the global stage. sokme peopleseem to think that once it is over sooner or later, the world will be like before, and america continuing where it just had been interrupted. But that is unlikely to the most extreme, 700 billion dollar iad package yes or not. we currently see decisive shifts and breakups in the global structure of financial order. America will not die from this, but it will be the great looser from this over the coming 2-4 decades. It's nothing else but the beginning of the end of the American empire.

To bring, in such grim times, a figure like Palin, and a leader who brought her up, into power, will not produce the good will and sympathy that america now and in the future is depending on, more than ever before. Of course many - especially conservative, but not only these - americans will not like to hear this, since believing in american invulnerability and omnipotence is so much more popular in a country that loves Marvelcomics Superheroes and moralistic zealots like the relgious right, or playacting politicians serving this scheme. but it simply is true - no matter how uncomfortable and unwelcomed the news is.

And I really was naive enough to believe that after Bush it just could become better... spank me for that.

It speaks decisively against McCain, that he has chosen somebody like Palin. Looks and gender is not enough.

[August]

Well imagine that. Its yet another Skybird diatribe against my people, invoking the deity no less. Is this the opinion of all German warehouse workers or just the ex physiologists?

[GlobalExplorer]

No, all germans. This woman is dumb as **** and that's what a lot of americans like about her.

[AntEater]

Same here
I actually like McCain, but Palin apparently is there to please the cliche dumb americans.

But Palin is a symptom of something more global than US exclusive.
She's just the typical conservative female politician.
Sarkozy and Berlusconi and other european right wing populists all have such gals as ministers.
Germany has them on state level and in political party posts.
Good looking, producing headlines, but rather dumb, inclined to favoritism and autocratic/hysterical leadership style.
They mostly come in the "bored rich wife" or "bored rich daughter" variant.
I suppose back in the good ole 1980s, when most of our current crop of politicans learned the ropes of their trade, feminism was still rampant.
And conservatives at that time (like today) are male dominated. All parties are, but especially conservatives, as their name implies they're usually not in the vanguard of social change.
So in order to counter all those verbal broadsides from the feminist left, they had to get some chicks, and fast.
But most importantly those chicks were not to interfere with serious business.
Rumour is that the secretary general of the CSU (Bavaria's eternal ruling party) told his female successor: "look, you may become the secretary, but I remain the general".

Well, at least our most famous german conservative politician was definitely not picked for her looks.

[TFatseas]

Here is a thought. Did anybody ask Cheney about Bush's policies as Governor, or Gore about Clinton's? How about Lieberman or Edwards? Katie was trying for a gotcha moment just like Gibson. I don't recall any VP candidate that ever got the pile-on Palin has received and the coverage from criticism her attackers have received from the press.

The media and the left tried this pathetic smear campaign against her, and it turns out most of everything they said wasn't true at all.

Biden has been sticking his foot in his mouth all campaign long. But does the media report it? No, or they down play it.

This is the crap why I find politics, and the media, to be so tiring over time.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by TFatseas

Here is a thought. Did anybody ask Cheney about Bush's policies as Governor, or Gore about Clinton's? How about Lieberman or Edwards? Katie was trying for a gotcha moment just like Gibson. I don't recall any VP candidate that ever got the pile-on Palin has received and the coverage from criticism her attackers have received from the press.

The media and the left tried this pathetic smear campaign against her, and it turns out most of everything they said wasn't true at all.

Biden has been sticking his foot in his mouth all campaign long. But does the media report it? No, or they down play it.

This is the crap why I find politics, and the media, to be so tiring over time.

Most accurate and intelligent post in this thread right here.

-S

[TheBrauerHour]

Originally Posted by TFatseas

Here is a thought. Did anybody ask Cheney about Bush's policies as Governor, or Gore about Clinton's? How about Lieberman or Edwards? Katie was trying for a gotcha moment just like Gibson. I don't recall any VP candidate that ever got the pile-on Palin has received and the coverage from criticism her attackers have received from the press.

The media and the left tried this pathetic smear campaign against her, and it turns out most of everything they said wasn't true at all.

Biden has been sticking his foot in his mouth all campaign long. But does the media report it? No, or they down play it.

This is the crap why I find politics, and the media, to be so tiring over time.

Thank you. Palin isn't perfect....but neither is Biden. What this thread should be about as well, is the low quality of our media these days.

[CCIP]

However I think Palin is more than not perfect. I think Biden's gaffes are of a different nature entirely - not to say they're not dumb, but Palin's are simply otherworldly. In both their cases the mouth often goes faster than the brain, but Biden's brain is at least competent. Palin hasn't said a damn thing so far that made real sense economically or geopolitically. Her sole appeal is her conservative social stance. And I'm sorry but that's just damned scary for someone who could hold the President's office - here you have someone who could wreck the US' position economically and in world politics, or alternatively, become a puppet to more competent advisors elsewhere. Given what the office is or should be, I'm not sure which of these is worse.

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by August

Well imagine that. Its yet another Skybird diatribe against my people, invoking the deity no less. Is this the opinion of all German warehouse workers or just the ex physiologists?

Yes Indeed! Membership in churches is at an all time low in europe. They fear morals (Moralaphobic?) This is why pedaphilia is being legalised in europe. This same mindset is attacking God in this country. They want God out of our history so we too can be a nation that embraces things like pedaphiles and beastiality. "One nation under God..."

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Frame57

Yes Indeed! Membership in churches is at an all time low in europe. They fear morals (Moralaphobic?) This is why pedaphilia is being legalised in europe. This same mindset is attacking God in this country. They want God out of our history so we too can be a nation that embraces things like pedaphiles and beastiality. "One nation under God..."

Um what

Since when are dogmatic morals and membership in a Christian church a pre-requisite for ethical behaviour? Lovely. And I know paedophilia is a big word, but I would suggest learning more about it and its status around the world before making claims on the legality thereof on that or other continent.

It's precisely this type of rhetoric that makes me deeply concerned about the Palin vote. Based entirely on ultraconservative social stance with a startling illiteracy in world and domestic politics alike.

[AntEater]

[quote=Frame57]

Originally Posted by August

This is why pedaphilia is being legalised in europe.

This is a statement worthy of the Sarah Palin award for supreme ignorance in foreign affairs.
I could launch into a lenghty article on that legal topic, but instead I just recommend you to read the wikipedia articles on the penalties on that crime in various european countries.

I mean I have nothing against conservatives per se. McCain is a conservative, but at I am pretty sure that he knows the difference between Austria and Australia.
Do conservativism and ignorance have to go together?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Frame57

Yes Indeed! Membership in churches is at an all time low in europe. They fear morals (Moralaphobic?) This is why pedaphilia is being legalised in europe. This same mindset is attacking God in this country. They want God out of our history so we too can be a nation that embraces things like pedaphiles and beastiality. "One nation under God..."

Just consider the guy not to be himself, but me, and then you know my reply - from A to Z.

BTW, the words "one nation under God" were not added to the pledge of allegiance before 1951, after a massive political campaign by the arch-catholic order of the Knights of Columbus.

"In God we trust" was added to coin money not before 1864, and on notes it was added not before 1956, assumed to display an attempt to unite the people in the confrontation with the Soviet Union.

[Frame57]

Not really! This is a symptom and not necessarily one that deals with religion. I feel morals are aside from religion this is why we have laws. But if you check that indeed what i have said is true. Perhaps another thread would be required for the child molester issue, but I feel strongly that any candidate not just Palen will be attacked by amoralsist. The progressives in the US embrace the doctrines of the EU which are precisely the people that attack our American history and any and all that have faith and morals. It is just that folks of religion tend to stand up for morals so they get the brunt of these arguments. I make no apologies for our attacked pledge of allegiance or that our sworn in officials place their hand over the bible. Palen has her rights in this country to practice her faith a faith that I am sure the likes of many will attack. But do note that she is not running a faith based campaign by no measure, but it is the attack dogs that are bringing up these issues not the GOP. It is also interesting to note that here that the arguments are from mostly non US residents. Case and point....

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Frame57

Not really! This is a symptom and not necessarily one that deals with religion. I feel morals are aside from religion this is why we have laws. But if you check that indeed what i have said is true. Perhaps another thread would be required for the child molester issue, but I feel strongly that any candidate not just Palen will be attacked by amoralsist. The progressives in the US embrace the doctrines of the EU which are precisely the people that attack our American history and any and all that have faith and morals. It is just that folks of religion tend to stand up for morals so they get the brunt of these arguments. I make no apologies for our attacked pledge of allegiance or that our sworn in officials place their hand over the bible. Palen has her rights in this country to practice her faith a faith that I am sure the likes of many will attack. But do note that she is not running a faith based campaign by no measure, but it is the attack dogs that are bringing up these issues not the GOP. It is also interesting to note that here that the arguments are from mostly non US residents. Case and point....

judging by the level of barbarism and brutlaity conducted in the name of rtelgions and institutionalised morality, I have a pricnipla problem with state,ments saying people who do not blindly take something invisible and unchecked as the ultimate truth - are amoral morons. To use Pat's words: that is like being called "yellow" by a bunczh of bananas. regarding relgions, give me evidence, then I must not stupidly beloieve some tale being told, but then I know. If you cannot do it, keep thy relgion to thyself and don't stand in my way and don't stick your nose in other people's business.

That simple.

But if you go on campaign with your religion and turn it into a fairground attraction, do not complain for beeing stared and poked all day. And do not expect people to step aside when you come along just because you are "religious". What you believe inside the four walls of your home, is of no interest for me. How you pray and what you imagine your relation to some invisible rabbit to be, is of no interest for anybody. but where you think you must spread your belief and impose it onto others or soceity in general, you become an invader of the freedom of others, and an agressor. No surprise then if peopole not sharing your ideas raise resistance to you.

On your claims being true:

churches are empty, that is true. church dogmas have failed to convince many people. This does not mean that thes epeople turnign away, are amoral, or are not "searching". but possibole that your answers simply are not good enough to convince their thinking minds. Your claim that all those people are fearing morals and are moralphobic, is nonsense. that pedophilia'S legal status is linked to this immorality because of lacking church memberships, is nonsense (mind you of the american churche's recehnt sex scandals abiut absuing children). And your claim regarding beastiality - also is nonsense in the context it was given.

Just wildly throwing around some provoking terms and labels - is no argument pro or contra anything.

[cobalt1]