Seal clubbing

[Letum]

The live of an animal is worth nothing compared to the well being of humans in my opinion.

I would sooner see one million animals die is the worst ways possible than see
a human suffer an inconvenience. (So long as this had no long term effect on any
ecosystems etc.)

It is humans that matter beyond all other concerns.

As the cat cares nothing for the live toy it amuses it's self with, so should we care
care nothing for the subjects of our food, sport, clothing etc.

Only after human concerns does the wellbeing of animals concern me.

In short:
I advocate compassion for both humans and animals, but that for humans
outweighsthat for animals infinitively.

[AJ!]

Originally Posted by Letum

The live of an animal is worth nothing compared to the well being of humans in my opinion.

I would sooner see one million animals die is the worst ways possible than see
a human suffer an inconvenience. (So long as this had no long term effect on any
ecosystems etc.)

It is humans that matter beyond all other concerns.

As the cat cares nothing for the live toy it amuses it's self with, so should we care
care nothing for the subjects of our food, sport, clothing etc.

Only after human concerns does the wellbeing of animals concern me.

In short:
I advocate compassion for both humans and animals, but that for humans
outweighsthat for animals infinitively.

I can tell you never had a pet

Too be honest Letum i find your words very distressing. Im the sort of person who feels bad for the rest of the day if i step on a snail or something ( a bit of a wuss i guess ) Everything has a right to live.

Everyone has their oppinion and i accept your views............ i just hope there are very few people out there with the same opinion as you

[Letum]

Originally Posted by AJ!

I can tell you never had a pet

Animals all my life here.
I grew up on a farm and I currently have two dogs that I love very much.

It's not that I don't have compassion for animals, it's just that they don't copmpare to humans at all.

[AJ!]

Originally Posted by Letum

Animals all my life here.
I grew up on a farm and I currently have two dogs that I love very much.

It's not that I don't have compassion for animals, it's just that they don't copmpare to humans at all.

I must admit that is a bit of a surprise to me. From what you said before it sounded like you never had an animal you cared about. I guess that makes your view much less bias although i still disagree with you

[SS107.9MHz]

SPLAT! "Now ain't that cute? BUT IT'S WRONG!"

[SS107.9MHz]

Originally Posted by AJ!

I must admit that is a bit of a surprise to me. From what you said before it sounded like you never had an animal you cared about. I guess that makes your view much less bias although i still disagree with you

I tend to think that some humans can't compare to people at all

I tell you one thing if a guy killed my dog I'd take ugly vengence upon is head

[Skybird]

I am no fanatic, but I eat meat very rarely only, and in low quantities, If so, I buy it at a local farm where they are not engaged in intense liferstock farming, and no industrial slaughtering. I see it like this: if you think that animals are lower beings and have no souls, visit an industrial mass slaughterhouse and see what is happening there, see the indifference of humans, the fear and panic of animals, their abuse by totall unalive machinery - and then ask yourself who is the one here showing no soul. Seeing thousands of animals being turned into naked cadavers and shreddered pieces on the blue collar, is an illustration of a vision of hell.

If you want to eat meat, be sure you can bear to kill a living animal with your own hands, and if you feel you could not do it, don't eat meat.

Don't buy meat in supermarkets. Boycott it.

Now take ninto accpunt what probably most of you have seen in pictures and reports about animal transports. Cows with broken legs being tortored with electrshocks at their genitals to make them crawl off the waggon. Sheep carried at one leg by a crane, with the anjle dislocated. Panic and suffering of the animals for one, two, three days. Death by suffocation and no water, heat.

intensive lifestock farming imo is one of the most digusting and shameful disgraces "civilised man" ever became guilty of. It's an obscenity that mocks life and nature, and a declaration of failure of man's ethics.

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I am no fanatic, but I eat meat very rarely only, and in low quantities, If so, I buy it at a local farm where they are not engaged in intense liferstock farming, and no industrial slaughtering. I see it like this: if you think that animals are lower beings and have no souls, visit an industrial mass slaughterhouse and see what is happening there, see the indifference of humans, the fear and panic of animals, their abuse by totall unalive machinery - and then ask yourself who is the one here showing no soul. Seeing thousands of animals being turned into naked cadavers and shreddered pieces on the blue collar, is an illustration of a vision of hell.

If you want to eat meat, be sure you can bear to kill a living animal with your own hands, and if you feel you could not do it, don't eat meat.

Don't buy meat in supermarkets. Boycott it.

Now take ninto accpunt what probably most of you have seen in pictures and reports about animal transports. Cows with broken legs being tortored with electrshocks at their genitals to make them crawl off the waggon. Sheep carried at one leg by a crane, with the anjle dislocated. Panic and suffering of the animals for one, two, three days. Death by suffocation and no water, heat.

intensive lifestock farming imo is one of the most digusting and shameful disgraces "civilised man" ever became guilty of. It's an obscenity that mocks life and nature, and a declaration of failure of man's ethics.

Well hit here here and seconded.

[edit] although I am a fanatic though about somehthing im sure.

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by August

Kinda gory but how is it any less acceptable than slaughtering cattle?

Edit: Joe ya beat me!

But would you slaughter a cow by bludgeoning it to death with a club?

I think killing seals in this fashion is disgusting and barabaric.

If wild animals have to managed by culling or livestock killed for meat; and if this causes a degree of suffering, then so be it; but to carry out a task like this in a needlessly cruel fashion is morally indefensible IMO.

[Letum]

What do you think of removing the teeth out of a seal, sorrounding it with food and then waiting for it to starve to death?

Thats nature's way.

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by Letum

What do you think of removing the teeth out of a seal, sorrounding it with food and then waiting for it to starve to death?

Thats nature's way.

Good bat

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by Letum

What do you think of removing the teeth out of a seal, sorrounding it with food and then waiting for it to starve to death?

Thats nature's way.

Nature is indifferent to suffering or cruelty; it is not a moral agent.

Humans on the otherhand are.

[Mush Martin]

Human moralities are societal constructs agreed to by a group

not permanent and not laws of nature.

one of the difficulties of the modern world is developing a worthy
moral/ethical code for new capabilities such as genetics where stuff
we are able to do now had no frame of reference in such sources of
modern moralities as say a middle eastern village of two thousand
years ago.

they couldnt concieve it to determine it.
even ethics and moralities evolve.

what can get someone sent to prison for life in America today
was normal and acceptable in ancient greece birthplace of democracy.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Mush Martin

Good bat

It's the way we all go. Death and suffering are inevitable and unavoidable.
For humans it is different because we are conscious of the world in a way
very distinct from even the most intelligent animal. For us, human death
and suffering can become tragedy, rather than just nature.

A stone breaking in two as it falls from a rock face, an amoeba becoming
a indefinable part of the chemical soup it lives in, a salmon floating to the
surface or a crippled antelope dieing in the sun is not tragic.
Neither is the bull in the bull ring, the seal on bloody ice or the sheep on
the floor of a lorry.

There is pain and suffering, but that is universal and unavoidable; that is
nature.
it is right that this appeals to our compassion, but empathy: to place our
understanding upon the animal and make it's situation a tragedy, is
misplaced.

Only the understanding of a man bleeding to death on a road because he
thought it was safe to overtake or an old man fighting for his last breath
because he does not want to die is tragedy.
That does not apply to a carp of a badger or a horse.


For me to have compassion, there must be the ability to feel pain.
For empathy there must be understanding.

[Koondawg]

Seal clubbing is a must!!!!! Now dont get me wrong, say get one of the seals to be a DD (designated driver). Have the others buy the drinks and your home free. Perhaps you may even run into a couple of fox's....who knows what could happen...all night partying, wild animal like sex...wake up the next morning with the roosters in a cat house and wonder just what happened the night before.
Course if your wife or girlfriend were to find out you may end up in the dawg house...then you may end up on the lamb trying to stay alive.
Oh im sorry I was just rambling....


KD