Seal clubbing

Mush Martin · 09-09-08, 01:38 PM

My wife has strong objections, sometimes I have to consider those
priorities I am not the only one. I see both sides of it, I feel the merits
of the thing need to be diminished before it can be eliminated.

so a better job is the answer to my mind sooner or later no one
will need to go but the fur sellers who might make the trip or might not:rotfl:
[edit] for the unenlightend the seal hunt is not made in a subtle environment.

AJ! · 09-09-08, 02:09 PM

Unbelievable......

I didn't think there was anyone who could justify this. Joea the vast majority arnt killed for meat. Most of them are skinned and then left there. Many of them are skinned alive then left to die in the cold. What is worse about the situation is this is seen as a sport by many people. That site was showing their view that going out and killing the seals is a good laugh and a fun day out.

The main reason they allow this is apparently to keep the cod levels in the area up. Anyone who can put a club to these creatures obviously isnt all there in the head....

joea · 09-09-08, 02:17 PM

You obviously didn't read my post AJ? I said

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I am not one for wearing fur really unless you live in a really cold climate, and like the Inuit use every part of the animal.

I just hate that people reserve their pity for the "cute" animals.

Disclaimer: I could kill for food but not club a seal. I have been in a slaughterhouse btw.

Why is this cruelty worse than say how geese are force fed to make fois gras?

Stealth Hunter · 09-09-08, 02:26 PM

I don't think the hobby is cruel and inhumane so much as the killing part goes. I mean why club a seal when you could shoot it and be done?

AJ! · 09-09-08, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I don't think the hobby is cruel and inhumane so much as the killing part goes. I mean why club a seal when you could shoot it and be done?

One bullet to the head would be so much more humane yet still unacceptable

Stealth Hunter · 09-09-08, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ!

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I don't think the hobby is cruel and inhumane so much as the killing part goes. I mean why club a seal when you could shoot it and be done?

One bullet to the head would be so much more humane yet still unacceptable

How would it be unacceptable? Seals are not endangered from the clubbing hunts as done by the Canadians. However, the whales the Japs are hunting are. That's the difference between the two.

So, let them kill seals. Seal meat can actually be a very tasty meal, and the fur is extremely soft, too. Just make sure they do it quickly and make sure they use every part of the animal up, like the Inuits.

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Originally Posted by joea

I just hate that people reserve their pity for the "cute" animals.

YES, YES, and YES. Someone finally said it!

SS107.9MHz · 09-09-08, 03:46 PM

SPLAT! "Now ain't that cute? BUT IT'S WRONG!"

Letum · 09-09-08, 02:54 PM

The live of an animal is worth nothing compared to the well being of humans in my opinion.

I would sooner see one million animals die is the worst ways possible than see
a human suffer an inconvenience. (So long as this had no long term effect on any
ecosystems etc.)

It is humans that matter beyond all other concerns.

As the cat cares nothing for the live toy it amuses it's self with, so should we care
care nothing for the subjects of our food, sport, clothing etc.

Only after human concerns does the wellbeing of animals concern me.

In short:
I advocate compassion for both humans and animals, but that for humans
outweighsthat for animals infinitively.

AJ! · 09-09-08, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

The live of an animal is worth nothing compared to the well being of humans in my opinion.

I would sooner see one million animals die is the worst ways possible than see
a human suffer an inconvenience. (So long as this had no long term effect on any
ecosystems etc.)

It is humans that matter beyond all other concerns.

As the cat cares nothing for the live toy it amuses it's self with, so should we care
care nothing for the subjects of our food, sport, clothing etc.

Only after human concerns does the wellbeing of animals concern me.

In short:
I advocate compassion for both humans and animals, but that for humans
outweighsthat for animals infinitively.

I can tell you never had a pet

Too be honest Letum i find your words very distressing. Im the sort of person who feels bad for the rest of the day if i step on a snail or something ( a bit of a wuss i guess

) Everything has a right to live.

Everyone has their oppinion and i accept your views............ i just hope there are very few people out there with the same opinion as you

SS107.9MHz · 09-09-08, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by joea

You obviously didn't read my post AJ? I said

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I am not one for wearing fur really unless you live in a really cold climate, and like the Inuit use every part of the animal.

I just hate that people reserve their pity for the "cute" animals.

Disclaimer: I could kill for food but not club a seal. I have been in a slaughterhouse btw.

Why is this cruelty worse than say how geese are force fed to make fois gras?

It isn't. Or maybe it is, but I'm shure not one of them should be happening.
ANd about cattle, well we breed cattle, we maintain their species to benefit us and inadvertedly theirs. We breed them, kill them and eat them (and use their hides for nifty shoes and jackets

, and their hooves for glue, ehehe)... I don't see anyone breeding or eating seal however (unless the natives from those areas).

It's the same thing than killing puppies and kittens by mauling or drowning them...
I wonder if the seals started mauling those guys kids to make coats for their mmisses those guys would appreciate it

Mush Martin · 09-09-08, 02:32 PM

when it comes down to it I wont eat veal or foix gras as a sort of
contientious objector

cruelty is cruelty and necessity is necessity
as far as the seal hunt goes if it must be done
it should as with all taking of life be swift and mercifully so.

the hunt itself may be justified still atm.
But the means Im not to so sure of

AJ! · 09-09-08, 02:30 PM

Sorry joea i didn't read that post. I just sorta jumped to conclusions after your first post

I totally agree with you about they slaughter of other animals. Dont get me wrong i haven't brought up seals just because they are cute. Japan has their horrific whaling, they still stone live rabbits in spain and other places and other cultures have different and terrible ways of killing animals.

I also agree the slaughter of cattle is horrible and i guess being to a slaughterhouse you will have seen first hand what its like

Sadly in this day and age we have such a high demand for meat in our growing population that this sort of system is the most practical way.

If the killing of these seals was to sustain our population with meat then assuming they were more humain about it i would accept it. The truth however is its simply not......

09-09-08, 01:38 PM	#1
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	My wife has strong objections, sometimes I have to consider those priorities I am not the only one. I see both sides of it, I feel the merits of the thing need to be diminished before it can be eliminated. so a better job is the answer to my mind sooner or later no one will need to go but the fur sellers who might make the trip or might not:rotfl: [edit] for the unenlightend the seal hunt is not made in a subtle environment. __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

09-09-08, 02:09 PM	#2
AJ! Commodore Join Date: May 2006 Location: That lil island above france Posts: 601 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Unbelievable...... I didn't think there was anyone who could justify this. Joea the vast majority arnt killed for meat. Most of them are skinned and then left there. Many of them are skinned alive then left to die in the cold. What is worse about the situation is this is seen as a sport by many people. That site was showing their view that going out and killing the seals is a good laugh and a fun day out. The main reason they allow this is apparently to keep the cod levels in the area up. Anyone who can put a club to these creatures obviously isnt all there in the head.... __________________

09-09-08, 02:54 PM	#8
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	The live of an animal is worth nothing compared to the well being of humans in my opinion. I would sooner see one million animals die is the worst ways possible than see a human suffer an inconvenience. (So long as this had no long term effect on any ecosystems etc.) It is humans that matter beyond all other concerns. As the cat cares nothing for the live toy it amuses it's self with, so should we care care nothing for the subjects of our food, sport, clothing etc. Only after human concerns does the wellbeing of animals concern me. In short: I advocate compassion for both humans and animals, but that for humans outweighsthat for animals infinitively. __________________

09-09-08, 02:32 PM	#11
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	when it comes down to it I wont eat veal or foix gras as a sort of contientious objector cruelty is cruelty and necessity is necessity as far as the seal hunt goes if it must be done it should as with all taking of life be swift and mercifully so. the hunt itself may be justified still atm. But the means Im not to so sure of __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

09-09-08, 02:30 PM	#12
AJ! Commodore Join Date: May 2006 Location: That lil island above france Posts: 601 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sorry joea i didn't read that post. I just sorta jumped to conclusions after your first post I totally agree with you about they slaughter of other animals. Dont get me wrong i haven't brought up seals just because they are cute. Japan has their horrific whaling, they still stone live rabbits in spain and other places and other cultures have different and terrible ways of killing animals. I also agree the slaughter of cattle is horrible and i guess being to a slaughterhouse you will have seen first hand what its like Sadly in this day and age we have such a high demand for meat in our growing population that this sort of system is the most practical way. If the killing of these seals was to sustain our population with meat then assuming they were more humain about it i would accept it. The truth however is its simply not...... __________________

09-09-08, 02:26 PM	#4
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I don't think the hobby is cruel and inhumane so much as the killing part goes. I mean why club a seal when you could shoot it and be done?

09-09-08, 03:46 PM	#7
SS107.9MHz Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lat.40º12'82"N, Long.8º85'48"W, Portugal Posts: 256 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	SPLAT! "Now ain't that cute? BUT IT'S WRONG!"