SHIV Mod to remove the hull damage indicator?

[Observer]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Whoever does will be a hero in my book! The thing is a travesty. It is the triumph of the whiners. I haven't found a submarine that has one of those yet.:rotfl:

[Slightly OT]

RR - you really have to try out the latest RFB beta (I know - nag, nag, nag). I've removed hull damage altogether making the hull integrity meter a non-factor.

[feld]

Observer,
I'm curious so I declare that on-topic:

How do you determine when the cumulative effects of damage weaken the hull?

r/
feld

[Observer]

That's not such an easy question to answer simply. In essence it has to do with two different ways the SH4 engine models damage.

The first has to do with the "collisionable object". This has to do with actual 3D model and the hit points associated with the model. As damage is applied to a model, for example during a torpedo hit, the torpedo damage HP are subtracted from the HP of the object. When the 3D model HPs equal 0 the object is said to be destroyed. This is actually the representation of "Hull Integrity" for the player submarine. It is simply a percentage representation of the number of HP remaining to the submarine 3D model. Do keep in mind that damage is applied to this model in a number of ways including collisions, exceeding crush depth (referred to as crash depth), torpedo and naval gunfire damage.

The second has to do with damage zones, or boxes. These are intended to represent cargo holds, machinery spaces, compartments, equipment, etc.

The idea is to simply ensure the collisionable object cannot be damaged, with the exception of some very specific circumstances, while ensuring the damage zones are capable of receiving all of the damage.

[feld]

Great info. Thank you.

Flooding is related not to "hitpoint" damage but rather to "zone" type then?

R/
feld

[Observer]

Originally Posted by feld

Great info. Thank you.

Flooding is related not to "hitpoint" damage but rather to "zone" type then?

R/
feld

Flooding is always related to the amount of damage the zone takes.

[danlisa]

This is untested & from memory:

It should work with all mods and is easy to do yourself.

Open the menu.txt in notepad and find:

589=HULL INTEGRITY %s %

change it to:

589=

That's it. No more % indicator.

[PurpleCity]

Originally Posted by danlisa

This is untested & from memory:

It should work with all mods and is easy to do yourself.

Open the menu.txt in notepad and find:

589=HULL INTEGRITY %s %

change it to:

589=

That's it. No more % indicator.

Tested, doesn't work...

[Observer]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

@Observer, did you use "critical" points in your submarine compartments ? To simulate let's say a hefty direct hit in the command room or the like ?

No. Hefty direct hits are handled by the way I've rebalanced the zone and DC hit points, though the idea of using the critical chance does have merit to simulate random catastrophic failure.

Originally Posted by Observer

No. Hefty direct hits are handled by the way I've rebalanced the zone and DC hit points, though the idea of using the critical chance does have merit to simulate random catastrophic failure.

well how do you handle the totally unrealistic indestructable ship to ship collisions that in most cases leave both ships totally undamaged. when a task force is atacked (like the midway mission) and a carrier or CA runs into a DD broadside and pushes it out of the way doing 15kts it should not slide out from under it and speed off with no damage.

is your redo of the damage model going to address this bug?