Thoughts on teaching Creation in school...

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Evidence does not equal proof (otherwise we wouldn't have debates over whether the death penalty is appropriate or not based on the guilt of the "alleged" offender)

Certainly, but there comes a point where the evidence puts a proposition beyond reasonable doubt, ie the weight of evidence suggests a conclusion which is inescapable.

Lack of evidence does not equal non-existence (that which we had no evidence of 50 years ago does not disprove what we may discover 50 years from now)

In that case why don't they teach Bertram Russels giant teapot god theory, the fact that there is lack evidence does not equal its non existance? who know what they will find in 50 years?

does this mean they should teach flat earth theory in science also as a counter to the round earth?

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Letum and I agree on something and he put it a lot simpler than I did. Thank you sir.

Mikhayl I would hardly say something as silly as dinosaur fossils were put there to test our faith. In fact, I've never said what my faith was or whether I believe in creation or not. Give children the evidence that we have and let them make up their own minds.

Give them the evidence and let them sort it out?

creationism is a dogma taught to them prior to critical
thinking skills development at an age whereby they
are unable to judge in an effectively objective manner
as the programming of a dogma comes from there
whole world of input their parents.

there is no evidence to observe in creationism even if
your teaching it. It wont hold water against real
science if you wait until they arent vulnerable and offer
them a data source that doesnt dominate them emotionally
and spritiually.

Promoting Creation Science as an activity
(not saying U R D.T.)
is in my mind equivalent to denying the legitmacy
of Copernicus. We dont teach the earth at the
centre of the universe because we cant deny
the repeatable observable evidence.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Mush Martin

Give them the evidence and let them sort it out?

Just to be clear, that is not what I was saying.

[Mush Martin]

No nore is my statement actually meant to imply anything about anyone
present in this debate.


I may have been wrong though I did find one single non evolving exception.
the christian right.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Mush Martin

Give them the evidence and let them sort it out?

creationism is a dogma taught to them prior to critical
thinking skills development at an age whereby they
are unable to judge in an effectively objective manner
as the programming of a dogma comes from there
whole world of input their parents.

there is no evidence to observe in creationism even if
your teaching it. It wont hold water against real
science if you wait until they arent vulnerable and offer
them a data source that doesnt dominate them emotionally
and spritiually.

Promoting Creation Science as an activity
(not saying U R D.T.)
is in my mind equivalent to denying the legitmacy
of Copernicus. We dont teach the earth at the
centre of the universe because we cant deny
the repeatable observable evidence.

I tried to drop it and you have to bring it up again. I never said I believed in creationism, per se (but it is my right to do so, or to believe in a non-strictly interpreted version of it, if I bloody well care to). I never said it should be taught in school. Whatever dogma is taught to children in their homes is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS OR THE GOVERNMENTS. I FECKING AGREE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?

I do, however, happen to believe that there is the possiblity of a power greater than the all-omniscient human mind (extreme sarcasm most definitely intended).

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

I tried to drop it and you have to bring it up again. I never said I believed in creationism, per se (but it is my right to do so, or to believe in a non-strictly interpreted version of it, if I bloody well care to). I never said it should be taught in school. Whatever dogma is taught to children in their homes is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS OR THE GOVERNMENTS. I FECKING AGREE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?

I do, however, happen to believe that there is the possiblity of a power greater than the all-omniscient human mind (extreme sarcasm most definitely intended).

Oh I agree that its place is in the home and not in school
and I wasnt missing what you were saying thats why the
part in my post says......

" (not saying U R D.T.)"

I further agree that there may indeed be a power beyond
our understanding or comprehension
Particularly the comprehension and understanding we as a species
enjoy at the moment.

M