"Don't ride inside of Russian armored personnel carriers"

[Bruno Lotse]

I'm sure you know that joke about two Russkies tankmen in Paris and air-war.

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

It is, but also it is far less capable. 4x M1's crested a ridge in Iraq's first gulf war and took our almost 50 T-72's without a single loss.

Cheap really doesn't work.

-S

Thats after the british chieftain's pulled them out of the sand bogs :P (had to get that one in a friend of mine who served in both gulf wars in the RE remembers very well pulling M1A1 tanks out of trouble)

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

I'm sure you know that joke about two Russkies tankmen in Paris and air-war.

Yeah...

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Hmm. That is very revealing - Russia plans to 'up' its military spending to $23 Billion/yr. That is a far cry from even China's expenditures. What the hell can $23 Billion buy you to compete with any western nation?

In case anyone cares, the US spends about $411 Billion last I checked per year on its military.

Russia spends less than 5% of the US on its military.

To be fair, according to the article it is $23 billion/year on new hardware - that is, this is only the procurement budget, not counting the personnel budget or the training budget which takes up a huge chunk of most militaries fees.

Of course, we don't know how much of this $23 billion has to be invested onto things like rebuilding the production lines, or whether it is all meant just for buying and the money for the production lines is in another budget.

Even if only $23 billion actually makes it to real equipment, that's still a lot. That's like 6 or so carriers, or over 100 fighters as expensive as a F-22...

[sergbuto]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Even if only $23 billion actually makes it to real equipment, that's still a lot. That's like 6 or so carriers, or over 100 fighters as expensive as a F-22...

That is in American prices, they will be significantly cheaper for Russians.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

...Even if only $23 billion actually makes it to real equipment, that's still a lot. That's like 6 or so carriers, or over 100 fighters as expensive as a F-22...

As I said - not much.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by sergbuto

That is in American prices, they will be significantly cheaper for Russians.

It still costs the same for the same capability. If it takes 100 T-72's to knock out 4 M1's, then what are you buying?

-S

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Do you really think that the Iraqi and Russian army are alike ?
There's really not much to compare, be it men, training, and more importantly terrain.

Compared to West the difference isnt that great.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Do you really think that the Iraqi and Russian army are alike ?
There's really not much to compare, be it men, training, and more importantly terrain.

Hahaha! Go look at Georgia! There is no organization there! An organized Army could wipe them out with lesser equipment!

And the 50 T-72's were Iraq's best - Rebuplican Guard or whatever they called it. Probably better than a majority of Russia's soldiers. They had organization.

-S

PS. To watch the Russians in Georgia reminded me of Iran and throwing bodies to the front. Maybe that is where Iran got the tactics from?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I guess you're right, anyway it's not like if under estimating opponents was an habit for western countries

Oh really? Where?

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I guess you're right, anyway it's not like if under estimating opponents was an habit for western countries

The strenghts and weaknesses of Russian army are well analysed, the things you mentioned just werent their strenghts.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

lol, I didn't mention anything actually, just the obvious. I understand Subman but you HT as a serving man I would think you know better than that.
If you think Iraq = Russia just because they use the same material, good for you.

Blinders.

-S

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

lol, I didn't mention anything actually, just the obvious. I understand Subman but you HT as a serving man I would think you know better than that.
If you think Iraq = Russia just because they use the same material, good for you.

Their training, tactics, logistics, methods are moderate, weak or rigid, hence they are very readable.

Their equipment goes from excellent to substandart, i wouldnt go to war with anything bigger that Georgia.

Their troops morale goes from excellent to substandart, depending on scenario, for motherland im sure they will give a fight.

So no direct comparison, but if they had invaded Kuwait they would have suffered the same fate.

[Bruno Lotse]

Hey guys, forget about Abrams!
You wanna stop Russkiy tanks?
Do like this:

Muhhhhhh! and they stopped.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Hey guys, forget about Abrams!
You wanna stop Russkiy tanks?
Do like this:

Muhhhhhh! and they stopped.

Oh, they took the cattle withem from the base.

"Fresh milk boys, come and take a squoze!"

[Bruno Lotse]

Yep, fresh milk, fresh air.
It's very healthy