"Don't ride inside of Russian armored personnel carriers"

[sergbuto]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Even if only $23 billion actually makes it to real equipment, that's still a lot. That's like 6 or so carriers, or over 100 fighters as expensive as a F-22...

That is in American prices, they will be significantly cheaper for Russians.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by sergbuto

That is in American prices, they will be significantly cheaper for Russians.

It still costs the same for the same capability. If it takes 100 T-72's to knock out 4 M1's, then what are you buying?

-S

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Do you really think that the Iraqi and Russian army are alike ?
There's really not much to compare, be it men, training, and more importantly terrain.

Compared to West the difference isnt that great.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Do you really think that the Iraqi and Russian army are alike ?
There's really not much to compare, be it men, training, and more importantly terrain.

Hahaha! Go look at Georgia! There is no organization there! An organized Army could wipe them out with lesser equipment!

And the 50 T-72's were Iraq's best - Rebuplican Guard or whatever they called it. Probably better than a majority of Russia's soldiers. They had organization.

-S

PS. To watch the Russians in Georgia reminded me of Iran and throwing bodies to the front. Maybe that is where Iran got the tactics from?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I guess you're right, anyway it's not like if under estimating opponents was an habit for western countries

Oh really? Where?

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I guess you're right, anyway it's not like if under estimating opponents was an habit for western countries

The strenghts and weaknesses of Russian army are well analysed, the things you mentioned just werent their strenghts.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

lol, I didn't mention anything actually, just the obvious. I understand Subman but you HT as a serving man I would think you know better than that.
If you think Iraq = Russia just because they use the same material, good for you.

Blinders.

-S

[Bruno Lotse]

Hey guys, forget about Abrams!
You wanna stop Russkiy tanks?
Do like this:

Muhhhhhh! and they stopped.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Hey guys, forget about Abrams!
You wanna stop Russkiy tanks?
Do like this:

Muhhhhhh! and they stopped.

Oh, they took the cattle withem from the base.

"Fresh milk boys, come and take a squoze!"

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

lol, I didn't mention anything actually, just the obvious. I understand Subman but you HT as a serving man I would think you know better than that.
If you think Iraq = Russia just because they use the same material, good for you.

Their training, tactics, logistics, methods are moderate, weak or rigid, hence they are very readable.

Their equipment goes from excellent to substandart, i wouldnt go to war with anything bigger that Georgia.

Their troops morale goes from excellent to substandart, depending on scenario, for motherland im sure they will give a fight.

So no direct comparison, but if they had invaded Kuwait they would have suffered the same fate.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Of course they would have, that's exactly my point : Russia is not Kuweit nor Irak. Doesn't take rocket science to figure that out, does it ? Btw as a Fin you should be aware that inferior material doesn't necessary mean that you're screwed. I thought the most important lesson in any army was "the terrain decides, either you adapt or you're done no matter what".

Yes, you have to know how you can use your materiel to the max effect.
Im apprehensive to say everything i would like on this subject.
But their tactics dont suit here for exsample, we use some Russian eguipment but in totally different manner.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Finally we can find a common ground
Tactics and knowledge of the environment are far more decisive than the paper specs of the material used IMO -- of course only until a certain point.

Also the invading country would not only have to face an army but also asymetrical warfare from the population or even trained militias, so comparing the thickness of armor of 2 tanks is really a nerd thing but surely not the real deal (not saying that for you particularly though).

At any rate it's good to keep the head cool, being proud and overconfident is good for the people watching war on TV, but in the real situation it's not really healthy so to speak

Even i can keep my head cool talking about this, mine and others lifes can depend on it.:rotfl:
And i said before in some thread that im pissed the Finnish T-72 were scrabbed, they would have had some good use in some situations.