B-58 video tribute - Page 2

Dowly · 08-02-08, 12:00 PM

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Soo, what's the plane's ICKPS?

Huh? lost me man!

-S

Innocent Civilians Killed Per Sortie.

Hahahaha! None that I know of!

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-S

Ok, then I say it was a good plane!

SUBMAN1 · 08-02-08, 12:04 PM

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Ok, then I say it was a good plane!

Does it change things if it had the capability to kill millions per sortie?

Nahhh!

-S

Platapus · 08-02-08, 12:06 PM

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He was saying other things too, such as this was a one way trip into Soviet Airspace. Not enough fuel to return so the idea was to crash or possibly land in someplace friendly, like Sweden. That is if there is anything left of Sweden!

-S

I would say that would be likely. Post strike plans were sorta "open ended" depending on circumstances.

These were men trained to deliver their weapon no matter what.

Priority 1: Deliver the weapon

There was no priority two.

Heros every one of them.

SUBMAN1 · 08-02-08, 12:13 PM

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...Heros every one of them.

I agree!

-S

bookworm_020 · 08-04-08, 12:47 AM

I still remmeber seeing the B-58 used in the movie "Failsafe" (on video, as the original was well before my time)

Platapus · 08-04-08, 04:42 AM

Awesome movie

joegrundman · 08-04-08, 06:28 AM

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He was saying other things too, such as this was a one way trip into Soviet Airspace. Not enough fuel to return so the idea was to crash or possibly land in someplace friendly, like Sweden. That is if there is anything left of Sweden!

-S

I would say that would be likely. Post strike plans were sorta "open ended" depending on circumstances.

These were men trained to deliver their weapon no matter what.

Priority 1: Deliver the weapon

There was no priority two.

Heros every one of them.

So a hero is someone selected/brainwashed/trained to reliably put themselves into grave danger in order to kill millions of civilians? Yummy.

Platapus · 08-04-08, 04:23 PM

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So a hero is someone selected/brainwashed/trained to reliably put themselves into grave danger in order to kill millions of civilians? Yummy.

It is difficult to explain if you have not been exposed to that environment.

SUBMAN1 · 08-04-08, 04:44 PM

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So a hero is someone selected/brainwashed/trained to reliably put themselves into grave danger in order to kill millions of civilians? Yummy.

Nice sarcasm for people willing to give up their lives so that you can have your own!

Maybe you are just coming across wrong. Basically, these guys are willing to die to make sure an evil empire does not try to come over here and take over your life. Its a deterrance yes, but if it is a deterrance that you aren't willing to use, do you really think the Soviets are going not come over here?

-S

joegrundman · 08-04-08, 08:40 PM

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So a hero is someone selected/brainwashed/trained to reliably put themselves into grave danger in order to kill millions of civilians? Yummy.

Nice sarcasm for people willing to give up their lives so that you can have your own!

Maybe you are just coming across wrong. Basically, these guys are willing to die to make sure an evil empire does not try to come over here and take over your life. Its a deterrance yes, but if it is a deterrance that you aren't willing to use, do you really think the Soviets are going not come over here?

-S

Well, they aren't now, no

But, in the scenario you are talking about, then they are killing millions in the first or second strike of a global nuclear war, in which case my life is already in very great danger, so they are not doing the deed to protect me, for if it comes to it, deterrence has already failed and i will likely die, living as i do in major cities.

or is it they are only heroes in the event that they never have to do their job? In which case their lives are in not much more danger than mine anyway.

Or is it that the very act of sacrificing your own life to kill millions of theirs is heroic, in which case does this also go for suicide bombers and the 911 attackers?

Platapus · 08-05-08, 04:31 AM

What is heroic is a person who voluntarily would take themselves from a position of relative safety; place themselves in a position of relative risk; with the understanding that their lives may be lost in the furtherance of a goal for the benefit of the greater number.

Firefighters and Law Enforcement are two of many illustrative civilian examples.

As I said. If you have not had experience in that environment, heroism is difficult to explain.

You are, of course, free to consider these people as not being heroic. You have a right to your opinion, and your opinion may have validity.

But that is the good thing about heros. They don't need any one's recognition.

08-04-08, 12:47 AM	#20
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I still remmeber seeing the B-58 used in the movie "Failsafe" (on video, as the original was well before my time) __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,444 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Awesome movie __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-05-08, 04:31 AM	#26
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,444 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	What is heroic is a person who voluntarily would take themselves from a position of relative safety; place themselves in a position of relative risk; with the understanding that their lives may be lost in the furtherance of a goal for the benefit of the greater number. Firefighters and Law Enforcement are two of many illustrative civilian examples. As I said. If you have not had experience in that environment, heroism is difficult to explain. You are, of course, free to consider these people as not being heroic. You have a right to your opinion, and your opinion may have validity. But that is the good thing about heros. They don't need any one's recognition. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.