The Arctic holds 90 billion barrels of oil

[Zachstar]

I have serious doubts about this "Air Car" Tho I am trying to keep open minded about it. I have heard rumors about huge losses and large charge times equaling large power bill growth.


My bets are on Zenn and EEstor but we can only win if these two are competing against each other.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

I have serious doubts about this "Air Car" Tho I am trying to keep open minded about it. I have heard rumors about huge losses and large charge times equaling large power bill growth.


My bets are on Zenn and EEstor but we can only win if these two are competing against each other.

Search youtube for "Guy Negre", that is the engineer. The material there is not the short report I saw ion German TV today, and the car on Tv looked more ugly, but it is the same inventor. Data varies. One tankload of compressed air is either 100km in rnage, or 200 km, or 200 miles. Tanking air lasts 3-5 minutes, costinging you around 1.50 Euros or 1.50 Dollars (the energy needed to compressor the air) - depends on wether you watch CNN or BBC. costs one year ago were said to be 15.000 bucks, today are projected to be around 3500-5000 bucks.

The car is not an electric car - it does not get charged as you said.




Negre is heavily supported by financial investors. The cars are to go into mass production next year.

[Zachstar]

The term charge is not limited to electric.

I will take a look. It is about time I got updated on it anyway. (Before ZENN kicks its ass)

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

The term charge is not limited to electric.

My fault - not my native language. anyway, they say it takes minutes only.

[Zachstar]

I just watched those videos but the 2nd one is rather.. Weird. Which explains the username who uploaded it. You do no favors posting it...

Onboard air generator powered by air to make air to run the car forever? Give me a break!

Anyway I don't think the inventor is making such a stupid claim so ok...

The car looks sound tho for most Americans the Hybrid version will be needed, Tho it seems to be able to go long distances on a single tank of gas so it aint THAT bad.

Overall it seems sound but I question the performance. ZENN with its EEstor battery which is also going to be used for military applications seems much more "likely" with its performance claims.

But to get back on topic with this. Note Subman how tech currently in development is undermining the need for oil. We need our investments in these bits of tech to Beat China or otherwise China will suck down every drop of oil not from our borders.

You aren't going to beat a hyper growing economy like china by drilling for more oil.

[Zachstar]

Ok now that I have done more research I can't say I am too impressed with the progress of this Compressed Air Car.

It seems the project has been off and on for a long time.

It seems the car has been delayed by almost a decade now. Will it beat Duke Nukem? And it seems the best we in the US can hope for is to get orders in by 2010.

It seems that there is about to be a legal battle by two companies.

I had to actually look around to find news. And the newest news item seems to be a clip of the car on MSNBC months ago.

Etc...

Now investing in this sure as hell beats drilling for more oil when you got a large car company supporting it. But I think I will remain a skeptic on it for now.

EEstor technology has better applications. Has the ability to be used in a greater abount of cars initially. Can replace the heavy battery packs on hybrids. Etc...

Also I think EEstor is going to be better for the environment overall. Because when people start converting there is going to be more pressure on Coal plants. And id rather "Sponge" up the electrons than do some conversion which likely has quite a bit in losses.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Ok now that I have done more research I can't say I am too impressed with the progress of this Compressed Air Car.

It seems the project has been off and on for a long time.

It seems the car has been delayed by almost a decade now. Will it beat Duke Nukem? And it seems the best we in the US can hope for is to get orders in by 2010.

It seems that there is about to be a legal battle by two companies.

I had to actually look around to find news. And the newest news item seems to be a clip of the car on MSNBC months ago.

Etc...

Now investing in this sure as hell beats drilling for more oil when you got a large car company supporting it. But I think I will remain a skeptic on it for now.

EEstor technology has better applications. Has the ability to be used in a greater abount of cars initially. Can replace the heavy battery packs on hybrids. Etc...

Also I think EEstor is going to be better for the environment overall. Because when people start converting there is going to be more pressure on Coal plants. And id rather "Sponge" up the electrons than do some conversion which likely has quite a bit in losses.

I once again must point at German TV news yesterday. It is father and son, working on it since 14 years and having solid finacial support by inverstors, and the car now finished for serial productioin which is set to begin next year. 14 years for a new technology like this is not much. Also if they are ready for mass production already now, it means that nobody is as far with his homework like they are, or is too dumb to release it now. And the final price is a killer. Note the two videos I linked up are one year old.

However, I do not want to talk you into buying one. And once again, it is no electrically driven car. Battery sizes are not an issue here. the pressured air drives the pistons in the engine directly.

Also remember that this is just a first design, the model T of new ET-optimised cars. The future will bring even more improvements of it, more HP, and even greater range. I would say 800 km by use of onboard compressor already now is totally acceptable. There are gasoline-driven cars don'T reaching that far.

[Zachstar]

The Model T was actually a pretty good car even by today's standards with 13-21 MPG

Also there is the problem with the "SUV" factor of these cars. Despite the fact that these tanks split rather than explode. People will still fear that they will "blow up"

I think all and all its a good "Wait & See" but I do not want to invest in it with these delays and problems. And I intend to own a CityZenn in 2009 rather than still be hoping to get one of these in 2010.

I see EEstor as a world changing technology. It's proliferation will encourage the marketing of the means to charge it without relying on coal plants and already maxed out Nuc plants.

Will this change the world? Maybe, But for US market you NEED the large amount of range so getting an aux motor will almost be a requirement. India? UK? Not so much... If it works I will sing its praises for giving the poor a chance to have rides that are better for the environment. However, I remain a skeptic.

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I once again must point at German TV news yesterday. It is father and son, working on it since 14 years and having solid finacial support by inverstors, and the car now finished for serial productioin which is set to begin next year. 14 years for a new technology like this is not much. Also if they are ready for mass production already now, it means that nobody is as far with his homework like they are, or is too dumb to release it now. And the final price is a killer. Note the two videos I linked up are one year old.

Are you referring to the "loremo" car, or another vehicle??