The Arctic holds 90 billion barrels of oil

[UnderseaLcpl]

All this is good for those of us in the rail transport industry! For years truckers have sabotaged our price-gouging policies by providing goods deliveries at a marginally higher cost and with much more convenience. Thanks to the government-energy complex we can now screw our customers with no fear of competition. I would just like to say thank you to all the environmentalists who made this possible by limiting the supply of crude oil and driving up demand. I woud also like to thank them for promoting ethanol. The ridiculous increase in the need for tank-car ethanol transport has been a blessing for those of us who love to take your money in exchange for a little peace of mind that one is "saving" the earth. Fortunately, we can still look forward to destruction of the environement by nations that don't give a damn whilst simultaneously ruining our economy via "green" policies.

Please continue your pathetic and laughable attempts to reverse problems that may not exist. No matter how clever you think you are, there are people with a vested interest in actually genrerating income that will always be smarter than you.

Sincerely,

The same industry you thought you beat with government anti-trust measures almost a century ago.

[DeepIron]

Well, it at least drilling for it will be easier once all the of Arctic ice has melted...

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

Well, it at least drilling for it will be easier once all the of Arctic ice has melted...

Yes and the many tons of Methane released from the permafrost can be used to power the equipment when it isn't adding to global climate change!

[Skybird]

90 billion (barrel of oil)
divided by
86 million (barrel global oil consummation per day)
makes
1046 (days of global consummation)
divided by 365 (days per year)
makes
2.87 (years).

assuming that India, China, america and all the others all of a sudden will stop to increase their thirst for oil, and the middle classes around the globe all of a sudden will stop to increase their demand for comfort and wealth.

What said that editorial here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140046 ?
It said:

"Republicans have become so obsessed with the notion that we can drill our way out of our current energy crisis that re-opening our coastal waters to offshore drilling has become their answer for every energy question.

Anyone who looks at the growth of middle classes around the world and their rising demands for natural resources, plus the dangers of climate change driven by our addiction to fossil fuels, can see that clean renewable energy — wind, solar, nuclear and stuff we haven’t yet invented — is going to be the next great global industry. It has to be if we are going to grow in a stable way.

Therefore, the country that most owns the clean power industry is going to most own the next great technology breakthrough — the E.T. revolution, the energy technology revolution — and create millions of jobs and thousands of new businesses, just like the I.T. revolution did.
Republicans, by mindlessly repeating their offshore-drilling mantra, focusing on a 19th-century fuel, remind me of someone back in 1980 arguing that we should be putting all our money into making more and cheaper IBM Selectric typewriters — and forget about these things called the “PC” and “the Internet.” It is a strategy for making America a second-rate power and economy."

One must not be any anti-american at all to see the common sense in that assessment.

Meanwhile in France, a car will launch for mass production early next year. It is driven by - pressured air, has a range of 100 km normally at a speed of 110 km/h max, and can increase the range by use of a small gas-driven compressor creating new pressured air while driving, and then gaining a top range of 800 km/h with one filling for the compressor (1.5 litres). Mass production starts next year, the vehicle is licensed for public traffic.

Made in France 21st century - not in America, 19th century style. Oil is not the future - it is the past.

[Zachstar]

I have serious doubts about this "Air Car" Tho I am trying to keep open minded about it. I have heard rumors about huge losses and large charge times equaling large power bill growth.


My bets are on Zenn and EEstor but we can only win if these two are competing against each other.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

I have serious doubts about this "Air Car" Tho I am trying to keep open minded about it. I have heard rumors about huge losses and large charge times equaling large power bill growth.


My bets are on Zenn and EEstor but we can only win if these two are competing against each other.

Search youtube for "Guy Negre", that is the engineer. The material there is not the short report I saw ion German TV today, and the car on Tv looked more ugly, but it is the same inventor. Data varies. One tankload of compressed air is either 100km in rnage, or 200 km, or 200 miles. Tanking air lasts 3-5 minutes, costinging you around 1.50 Euros or 1.50 Dollars (the energy needed to compressor the air) - depends on wether you watch CNN or BBC. costs one year ago were said to be 15.000 bucks, today are projected to be around 3500-5000 bucks.

The car is not an electric car - it does not get charged as you said.




Negre is heavily supported by financial investors. The cars are to go into mass production next year.

[Zachstar]

The term charge is not limited to electric.

I will take a look. It is about time I got updated on it anyway. (Before ZENN kicks its ass)

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

The term charge is not limited to electric.

My fault - not my native language. anyway, they say it takes minutes only.

[Zachstar]

I just watched those videos but the 2nd one is rather.. Weird. Which explains the username who uploaded it. You do no favors posting it...

Onboard air generator powered by air to make air to run the car forever? Give me a break!

Anyway I don't think the inventor is making such a stupid claim so ok...

The car looks sound tho for most Americans the Hybrid version will be needed, Tho it seems to be able to go long distances on a single tank of gas so it aint THAT bad.

Overall it seems sound but I question the performance. ZENN with its EEstor battery which is also going to be used for military applications seems much more "likely" with its performance claims.

But to get back on topic with this. Note Subman how tech currently in development is undermining the need for oil. We need our investments in these bits of tech to Beat China or otherwise China will suck down every drop of oil not from our borders.

You aren't going to beat a hyper growing economy like china by drilling for more oil.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

90 billion (barrel of oil)
divided by
86 million (barrel global oil consummation per day)
makes
1046 (days of global consummation)
divided by 365 (days per year)
makes
2.87 (years).

assuming that India, China, america and all the others all of a sudden will stop to increase their thirst for oil, and the middle classes around the globe all of a sudden will stop to increase their demand for comfort and wealth.

What said that editorial here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140046 ?
It said:

"Republicans have become so obsessed with the notion that we can drill our way out of our current energy crisis that re-opening our coastal waters to offshore drilling has become their answer for every energy question.

Anyone who looks at the growth of middle classes around the world and their rising demands for natural resources, plus the dangers of climate change driven by our addiction to fossil fuels, can see that clean renewable energy — wind, solar, nuclear and stuff we haven’t yet invented — is going to be the next great global industry. It has to be if we are going to grow in a stable way.

Therefore, the country that most owns the clean power industry is going to most own the next great technology breakthrough — the E.T. revolution, the energy technology revolution — and create millions of jobs and thousands of new businesses, just like the I.T. revolution did.
Republicans, by mindlessly repeating their offshore-drilling mantra, focusing on a 19th-century fuel, remind me of someone back in 1980 arguing that we should be putting all our money into making more and cheaper IBM Selectric typewriters — and forget about these things called the “PC” and “the Internet.” It is a strategy for making America a second-rate power and economy."

One must not be any anti-american at all to see the common sense in that assessment.

Meanwhile in France, a car will launch for mass production early next year. It is driven by - pressured air, has a range of 100 km normally at a speed of 110 km/h max, and can increase the range by use of a small gas-driven compressor creating new pressured air while driving, and then gaining a top range of 800 km/h with one filling for the compressor (1.5 litres). Mass production starts next year, the vehicle is licensed for public traffic.

Made in France 21st century - not in America, 19th century style. Oil is not the future - it is the past.

How is it that we cannot drill our way out of this energy crisis exactly? In America, we have it all at our fingertips. We have it all - more oil capability than in any other place on Earth - 300 years worth for us! So how can we not just start using some of our own resources to fix the problem exactly?

More smoke and mirrors from SB again.

-S

PS. All green energy is substandard at best, and pathtic in power generation at its worst. Nothing beats the good old hydrocarbon (besides nukes of course) - hence why we use it today. Nations that convert to this purely will get left behind.

[Zachstar]

Subman, mixing false statements with crap is not going to get you a win here. Just like the conspiricy crap about GW.

We can't drill our way out for 2 reasons. The exact 2 that has been shown why corn will not save us.

Time and Damage

Drilling in the gulf will take almost a decade at BEST to get something more than a tiny bit on the market. Yet repubs talk like it will save the world now. In that timespan the amount of gas hogs in china will grow greatly. So prices will not drop.

Also oil is mostly dead algae from LONG ago. Trapped CO2 that needs to stay trapped. Getting it out to play will only cause more damage in the future that will continue to eat into disaster reserves. (Note with Corn the damage comes from vastly increased food prices)

You are not going to drill out of this. In 10 years we will have something better anyway. If it be Full spectrum thin film solar, Cheap Wind, or Bussard Fusion.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Subman, mixing false statements with crap is not going to get you a win here. Just like the conspiricy crap about GW.

We can't drill our way out for 2 reasons. The exact 2 that has been shown why corn will not save us.

Time and Damage

Drilling in the gulf will take almost a decade at BEST to get something more than a tiny bit on the market. Yet repubs talk like it will save the world now. In that timespan the amount of gas hogs in china will grow greatly. So prices will not drop.

Also oil is mostly dead algae from LONG ago. Trapped CO2 that needs to stay trapped. Getting it out to play will only cause more damage in the future that will continue to eat into disaster reserves. (Note with Corn the damage comes from vastly increased food prices)

You are not going to drill out of this. In 10 years we will have something better anyway. If it be Full spectrum thin film solar, Cheap Wind, or Bussard Fusion.

Hahahaha! Not even going to answer this! It shows your ignorance.

-S

PS. Search these things before you bother to reply:

Oil Shale

Tar Sands

Gulf Oil

Pacific Oil

Atlantic Oil

Coal to Oil

ANWR

All of these add up to 300 years in our own backyard.

[Zachstar]

Just you saying Coal to Oil ought to raise many red flags. Do you have ANY idea how nasty that process is?

Then again you don't believe in man influenced GW either so you are not on any solid ground to assume my knowledge.

300 years at what cost? 20 dollars a gal? 50? 100?

China is not going to stop and say "We are sorry for growing" People growing up are not going say "screw it" to driving.

Those things are little more than dollar signs to big oil. No thanks.