near miss at periscope depth

[Blacklight]

Bernard ?

[Kapitan]

The thing the troops were apparently told was that these were two islands that the british didnt want we need to make a show they wont put up a fight how wrong they were.

last time i went to portsmouth i counted 3 carriers invincible illustrious and ark royal none of them sunk not even hermes which my farthers friend was on during the conflict as that was paid off in 1989 and sold to india.

[Cohaagen]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

An interesting video, from an Argentine perspective anyway

Your pilots were extremely brave and were the most creditable part of your forces in this sad conflict.

I'd agree with that...



Two Skyhawks attacking HMS Broadsword, unsuccessfully thankfully. See the huge amount of SAF going out, with what looks like a 4.5" shell in the foreground.

Interestingly, I've also seen the same photo used on the internet used as "evidence" in the carrier conspiracy and subtitled "Attack on the Invincible"!

The "kills list" is here:

http://www.histarmar.com.ar/Malvinas/ArtDiegoMarre.htm

It basically counts every instance of damage to the Task Force as "serious", regardless of whether it actually was.

[Stealth Hunter]

After nearly 7 decades of sailing the waters, the last German U-boat, which was never accounted for, was finally sighted off the coast of South America, after having apparently undergone minor upgrades.

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by August

I think they're faked. If you look closely at the first photo the black cable (boom stay?) passes in front of most of the periscopes but is partially obscured by the camouflaged one.

That's...kinda the point of camoflage. To make things "disappear."


And about the whole "not detecting it on sonar," well, a boat with it's engine(s) off dosen't make much noise... If you look closely, there is not the slightest sign of a stern wake from the boat, and it's not that uncommon for a skipper to shut down the engines when stopped for a bit. In fact, it's been done on every fishing boat I've been on.

Just my opinion.

[Safe-Keeper]

One of the things I love (can't stand) about the internet is how people have become so paranoid about looking gauche, unsavvy or unwordly that they immediately label even the most triflingly unusual photographs/videos as "fake".

On the contrary, I feel people should be about ten times more skeptical and that it's crazy what they actually fall for. See, for example, the "whale landing on kayak" vid on YouTube. Idiot spammers post it with their own login, 10 000 other idiots post "OMG!" posts, some skeptic comes along and points out it's "fake" (read: taken from a commercial, not that they would know), and another idiot goes "oh, ****, found out, guess I'd better repost it somewhere else, then!".

Look at all the silly irrationality people fall for from GW deniers, psychics, fundies, alternative medicine, homeopaths, etc. Have a run through Snopes and check out what people actually believe.

A "Philosophy 101" course should be mandatory for all High School students.

It goes without saying that those pictures are obviously real, and anyone who can't tell that at first sight needs to ease up with the Photoshop paranoia.

You say they're "obviously real", and post as evidence a site that simply reproduces them and offers no evidence?

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

I will ask a former crewmember of the sub about the pics. Stay tuned...

Oh you don't need to go through that trouble just because of me...but you know, if others are interested, be my guest and ask.

[Cohaagen]

Safe-Keeper,

I'm not going to get into an argument with you. Responding to the gullibility of others by adopting a default "no...no...no" position isn't intelligent, it's reflexive thinking. To be honest, I couldn't care less what people say about "viral" videos. I don't watch that sort of guff and I'm certainly not interested in whether people are taken in by them or not.

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

You say they're "obviously real", and post as evidence a site that simply reproduces them and offers no evidence?

So now we're into needing "evidence"? For what - a submarine passing within a few feet of a small ship? What kind of sad bastard would take the time out to Photoshop that? Not exactly a big shark leaping at a guy hanging off a helicopter from a rope ladder, is it?

[Safe-Keeper]

So now we're into needing "evidence"?

I'm not the kind of person who believes things without evidence, no.

For what - a submarine passing within a few feet of a small ship? What kind of sad bastard would take the time out to Photoshop that? Not exactly a big shark leaping at a guy hanging off a helicopter from a rope ladder, is it?

The kind of sad ****** who likes to have people around the Web spread his picture and gasp at the alleged moment of near-catastrophe. The same kind of "sad ******" spreads other interesting pictures, real or not.

But I agree, this has to be Bernard, or whatever his American counterpart is called (Parker?).
"Damnit, you nitwit, we nearly hit that trawler! Good thing they didn't see us! Parker, why didn't you sound the alarm?"
"Why, CO, you told me to watch out for enemy warships. If that's a warship, I'm a Swedish landlubb--"
"PAARKEEEEER!"

[Cohaagen]

I can tell you for a fact it's not a fishing boat - I used to work on one. It's a small Argentine naval vessel. Trawlers have nets and winches and winding gear, and the crew wear wellies. They don't have their deck space taken up with a big fluourescent RIB, and they're usually not painted naval grey.

This is a ship from the same class:



Note the boom and the orange RIB on the quarterdeck.

[Maverick30]

Bernard was at the periscope and the captain asked: its okay to surface? And Bernard looking at the fishing boat replyed to the captain: its okay captain, we can surface.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

On the contrary, I feel people should be about ten times more skeptical and that it's crazy what they actually fall for.

There is nothing wrong with a healthy skepticism about stuff you see on the internet.

I have heard tell that there are people on the internet who post things that are not true.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Platapus

There is nothing wrong with a healthy skepticism about stuff you see on the internet.

I have heard tell that there are people on the internet who post things that are not true.

Really

Probably only one or two at the most :hmm:

[mcf1]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Really

Probably only one or two at the most :hmm:

you're talking about millions right?:hmm:

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mcf1

you're talking about millions right?:hmm:

I'll let you be the judge of that