Ceramic hull subs? - Page 2

Platapus · 07-06-08, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Next you are going to push cement aircraft! Hahahaha!

-S

Cement Aircraft. no way........

http://mythbustersresults.com/episode66

Or a lead balloon?

http://mythbusters-wiki.discovery.co...Balloon?t=anon

oops Ya never can tell what scientists might work on. LoL

Hakahura · 07-06-08, 04:06 PM

Cermet

Not

Cement

jeremy8529 · 07-06-08, 04:43 PM

Titanium hull sounds good to me, thats what I got holding my leg together, hehe.

Back on topic though, I would underestimate a materiel just because it is used to hold flowers in. If it can be treated properly, it would be interesting to experiment with.

Raptor1 · 07-06-08, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremy8529

Titanium hull sounds good to me, thats what I got holding my leg together, hehe.

Back on topic though, I would underestimate a materiel just because it is used to hold flowers in. If it can be treated properly, it would be interesting to experiment with.

Yeah, but you would, if that same flower-holding material has known properties that are against your needs, right?

Normal Ceramics are pretty much out of the question for sub-hulls, too brittle, but Cermets might have some potential

Skybird · 07-06-08, 04:50 PM

Can't imagine that. Even Titanium hulls were flexible and changed their nshape a bit when diving, every sub does that, more or less. Cermaics don't allow that, and that is what makes me think it is no good material for using it for the general hull itself. I would prefer to dream of semi-biologic materials. Hell, even the thing they used in the infantile TV-series "Seaquest" makes more sense to me than ceramics.

Frame57 · 07-08-08, 01:09 AM

I have done a little more snooping into this and a little birdy has told me that the U.S. Navy has already successfully tested an undisclosed sized pressure vessel assembly using alumina ceramic to a depth of 6000 meters. I do not know if this is with a view to using it for deeper diving torpedoes or pressure hulls for subs, but the technology seems promising.

Skybird · 07-08-08, 03:47 AM

Ah it is bitter when my imagination - or lack of it - collides with the innocence of facts...

well, is it fact...? :hmm:

Raptor1 · 07-08-08, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

I have done a little more snooping into this and a little birdy has told me that the U.S. Navy has already successfully tested an undisclosed sized pressure vessel assembly using alumina ceramic to a depth of 6000 meters. I do not know if this is with a view to using it for deeper diving torpedoes or pressure hulls for subs, but the technology seems promising.

What's your source?

Has it been officially published somewhere by the USN?

Also, if it's true, is it practical for a submarine? I know several submersibles like the Trieste could go really deep but they weren't...real...submarines...

Frame57 · 07-08-08, 11:51 AM

No, the navy would not publish this. I will dig up a submersible website that has some of this. But the "birdy" would peck out my eyes if i told you the source. Also try googling "Alumina Ceramic hulls" and see what you get. My gues is that maybe they would use it for an new NR project or possibly a torpedo that can make 4000 feet without imploding. US Navy could have made Titanium alloy subs but deemed it un-necessary, but if the Russians or someone else like China ever does then the simple solution is having a torpedo that can make those depths. Having a combat submarine with a titanium hull then becomes a moot point.

Raptor1 · 07-08-08, 11:55 AM

Sorry, I can't say anything on this without a definite source, at least one stating that it was accomplished

Skybird · 07-08-08, 12:14 PM

http://www.stormingmedia.us/80/8074/A807472.html

doesn't sound like construction of a mobile sub to me.

Frame57 · 07-08-08, 02:39 PM

Ahhh! Yes I agree on that Skybird, but technology builds on technology, does it not? The navy has more R&D stuff than we will ever know. If they score a hit on this in the future, you can bet they will be looking to employ such technology into weapons platforms of some sort.

Skybird · 07-08-08, 03:33 PM

Sometimes a new technology leads into a dead end, and sometimes it is the specific purpose for which a new technology is used that is a dead end. I currently can image ceramics being used for diving bells or stationary bases in regions with tectonic stability, maybe even things like mobile factories they build in Norway (SWOPs), or even for small ROVs and AUVs. Certainly for deep-diving small weapon vehicles like torpedoes. But not for huge, manned submarines the size of military subs of the present.

But that must not mean anything, since I admit it is my imagination I talk of - and lack of.

Frame57 · 07-08-08, 04:03 PM

Well, I think that if it ever developes to that stage in the future. it would be a composite of a metal ceramic technology. Check out this site http://ise.bc.ca/design-hull.html Interesting site and I can see the AUV's looking much like a torpedo. International submarine design is the company.

Skybird · 07-08-08, 04:19 PM

"Page cannot be found."

07-06-08, 04:06 PM	#17
Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Cermet Not Cement __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.

07-06-08, 04:43 PM	#18
jeremy8529 A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Etowah TN Posts: 79 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Titanium hull sounds good to me, thats what I got holding my leg together, hehe. Back on topic though, I would underestimate a materiel just because it is used to hold flowers in. If it can be treated properly, it would be interesting to experiment with. __________________

07-06-08, 04:50 PM	#20
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,742 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Can't imagine that. Even Titanium hulls were flexible and changed their nshape a bit when diving, every sub does that, more or less. Cermaics don't allow that, and that is what makes me think it is no good material for using it for the general hull itself. I would prefer to dream of semi-biologic materials. Hell, even the thing they used in the infantile TV-series "Seaquest" makes more sense to me than ceramics. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-08-08, 03:47 AM	#22
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,742 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Ah it is bitter when my imagination - or lack of it - collides with the innocence of facts... well, is it fact...? :hmm: __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-08-08, 11:55 AM	#25
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Sorry, I can't say anything on this without a definite source, at least one stating that it was accomplished __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

07-08-08, 01:09 AM	#21
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I have done a little more snooping into this and a little birdy has told me that the U.S. Navy has already successfully tested an undisclosed sized pressure vessel assembly using alumina ceramic to a depth of 6000 meters. I do not know if this is with a view to using it for deeper diving torpedoes or pressure hulls for subs, but the technology seems promising.

07-08-08, 11:51 AM	#24
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	No, the navy would not publish this. I will dig up a submersible website that has some of this. But the "birdy" would peck out my eyes if i told you the source. Also try googling "Alumina Ceramic hulls" and see what you get. My gues is that maybe they would use it for an new NR project or possibly a torpedo that can make 4000 feet without imploding. US Navy could have made Titanium alloy subs but deemed it un-necessary, but if the Russians or someone else like China ever does then the simple solution is having a torpedo that can make those depths. Having a combat submarine with a titanium hull then becomes a moot point.

07-08-08, 12:14 PM	#26
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,742 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	http://www.stormingmedia.us/80/8074/A807472.html doesn't sound like construction of a mobile sub to me. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-08-08, 02:39 PM	#27
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Ahhh! Yes I agree on that Skybird, but technology builds on technology, does it not? The navy has more R&D stuff than we will ever know. If they score a hit on this in the future, you can bet they will be looking to employ such technology into weapons platforms of some sort.

07-08-08, 03:33 PM	#28
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,742 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Sometimes a new technology leads into a dead end, and sometimes it is the specific purpose for which a new technology is used that is a dead end. I currently can image ceramics being used for diving bells or stationary bases in regions with tectonic stability, maybe even things like mobile factories they build in Norway (SWOPs), or even for small ROVs and AUVs. Certainly for deep-diving small weapon vehicles like torpedoes. But not for huge, manned submarines the size of military subs of the present. But that must not mean anything, since I admit it is my imagination I talk of - and lack of. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-08-08, 04:03 PM	#29
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Well, I think that if it ever developes to that stage in the future. it would be a composite of a metal ceramic technology. Check out this site http://ise.bc.ca/design-hull.html Interesting site and I can see the AUV's looking much like a torpedo. International submarine design is the company.

07-08-08, 04:19 PM	#30
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,742 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"Page cannot be found." __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.