IJN submarine Kaidai Dual Deck Gun : Help needed

[keltos01]

Hi all !
I ordered a copy of "The Maru Special - Japanese Naval Vessels #31, 1979, 9." in which I found quite a few interresting pictures of IJN subs.

I included the text with the image, hoping that someone in the community can translate it (Zaza ?) as I don't read japanese.




Basically I'd like to have one ingame... and functionnal, but apart from the 3d which is my good side, I don't know where to start.. and I want it baaaaad !

First we'd need to know what caliber weapon this is ?

then how to make a new gun node in the radarxx file so as to have a new gun, then then, then.....

[Raptor1]

Huh, I never heard of a Kaidai with dual deck guns, must be a special case

As far as I know all the Kaidais mounted either a single 4" or a single 4.7"/5" gun (I'm not sure if it's 4.7 or 5)

[keltos01]

the picture speak for itself though (unless the text stes otherwise?) it looks like a Kaidai, and the gun, well I didn't drink that much did I ?

[Raptor1]

I'll try to see if some other submarine class had a dual deck gun, otherwise it must be a special refit or something

[Raptor1]

Okay, looking at it, I would guess it's the J3 type submarine I-8, which was refitted a dual 5.5" deck gun in 1943

The text seems to confirm it (I think)

[keltos01]

That was fast ! what source do you use ??

could we use one ingame ? even a dual 4.7" would do...

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by keltos01

That was fast ! what source do you use ??

could we use one ingame ? even a dual 4.7" would do...

http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_j3.htm

I-8 received a twin 14cm mount forward in 1943.

The kanji 伊 reads as I, 潜 - this one reads as Sen, so I guess it would translate as "Submarine I-8"...I think

As for ingame, I think it's possible, but I don't know if you could actually use it or if only the AI can operate it

[keltos01]

I think xantro said that if you lock a target the ai fires at it, so it wouldn't really matter, but for the fact that you wouldn't have your butt on the gun..

[Raptor1]

Now that I think about, we have Dual AA guns we can shoot, so we could probably do the same for the deck gun, ne?

[keltos01]

That would be more than cool

it would even give us an edge : why waste torpedoes on small fries ?

[keltos01]

[Kamikaze Krazy]

I haven't seen anything like that before. It reminds me of the French submarine cruiser, which also had a twin deck gun.

Here is a source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_(N_N_3)



How about this for an idea. How about taking one of the Japanese twin AA guns, like on one of those Japanese battleships, and removing the gun shield. Would that work or would that be too difficult? I don't know if that would be very historically accurate though.

[keltos01]

Why not ? my problem is that I'd like to have a double muzzle flash as well.. The thing was if I replace a normal deckgun 3d model with this double gun, then all subs using the model will have twin guns, whereas in reality there was only one Kaidai equiped with this one.

I know the Surcouf, she had a twin gun turret, she was believed to have been hit by a cargo near ?cuba? and sunk, when it was an american plane which mistook her for german and sunk her..

This is a low priority mod to me, because I'm happy with the Kaidai 4 as it is, but I'd really like to solve this puzzle : two shells fired simultaneously, DDs beware !

Keltos

[kptn_kaiserhof]

it looks kind of futuristic just look on keltos 01's picture

[peabody]

Originally Posted by keltos01

Why not ? my problem is that I'd like to have a double muzzle flash as well.. The thing was if I replace a normal deckgun 3d model with this double gun, then all subs using the model will have twin guns, whereas in reality there was only one Kaidai equiped with this one.

I know the Surcouf, she had a twin gun turret, she was believed to have been hit by a cargo near ?cuba? and sunk, when it was an american plane which mistook her for german and sunk her..

This is a low priority mod to me, because I'm happy with the Kaidai 4 as it is, but I'd really like to solve this puzzle : two shells fired simultaneously, DDs beware !

Keltos

When we build ships we pull guns out of gunsradar.dat all the time to make playable turrets. Make a 3D model and make the barrels separate. If you look at the 3D model in gunsradar.dat you will see the turret and barrels are separate objects so the barrels can be positioned separately. Build your 3D that way and replace the 3D model, change the name, remapIDs just like cloning a sub (Mikhayl's tutorial) and put it in Subparts for German (don't remember the exact folder name) and weapons.upc and upgradepack.upc and it should work fine. Of course add it to the subs.upc under upgradepackslots or whatever it's named.
Peabody