I'm Finally Going To Write the History Channel... - Page 5

rifleman13 · 06-14-08, 10:47 PM

I watch the History Channel...

If there's nothing to do!

But then I play SH3 a lot.:rotfl:
Then there's work, sleeping, reading history books, the Internet... the list goes on.

IMHO, The History Channel is a little one sided like the Al Jazeera of Historiography!

SUBMAN1 · 06-14-08, 10:52 PM

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"There is more documented evidence on him than any person in HISTORY!"

I showed evidence above to prove you already wrong here, so how is it that you forgot about that?

You've actually shown no evidence at all. You made a statement (more than 5300 Greek manuscripts), but didn't even show where this statement comes from. In fact it comes from a Christian Apologist website http://www.carm.org/evidence/textualevidence.htm , and HE doesn't give any authoritative demonstration. So, where are these 5300+ manuscripts? The truth is, as I said, most of the extant manuscripts are copies of others; so how many original manuscripts actually exist? None. Everything we have is a copy, usually of another copy. So what manuscripts, even copies, are there really? A good start is here:
http://www.bibletranslation.ws/manu.html

As you can see, when we say "Manuscripts", we are not talking about whole copies of the New Testament, we are talking about a copy of one letter here, and a fragment of a Gospel there. None of the letters are records of the life of Jesus - they are all directives on how to live the proper Christian life. In fact, when the epistles refer to him at all they refer to the Lord, never the man. Likewise the Gospels: they tell the story - they never try to read like an actual biography.

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More documents exist on him than any person in history, at an approximate rate of 100:1 over the second most, which is homer.

Again, you make a flat statement with no supporting evidence. The 'documents' are all religious in nature, and have no supporting historical record. And again you compare the Bible to Homer, whom we already agree is nothing more than a fabulous set of mythical stories. Are you saying the Bible is the same?

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So what were we talking about then?

I was talking about what can be supported by historical records and what can't. You seem to be talking about proving a religious belief is true based on the number of people who believe it.

Incorrect. That is not where I got it from as you can see that your site is lacking additional data of 10K Latin and 9300 early version and 24K manuscripts. As I said, take any history class.

But of course you proved the 5300 Greek versions, religious website or not, on your own. Collaborating data, I love it!

If I keep this up, you'll prove the entire lot for me without lifting a finger on my end!

-S

Onkel Neal · 06-15-08, 12:11 AM

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I can't take it anymore. I used to love their channel, but now, all they've got is religious crap, truckers driving in the nothern-most hemisphere, loggers hacking trees up, the history of sex, and stuff about the universe. Almost forget their UFO "hunters" and monster hunters, which amount to little more than a bunch of idiots running around with cameras pointed at THEMSELVES whilst saying, "Something just brushed up against my ankle! WAIT- DID YOU SEE THAT?" Couldn't see it, bud; camera was focused on you.

I'll admit, they've still got a few good programs on, like Dogfights and Modern Marvels, but what has happened to their once great selection?

What happened to all the good programs they used to have, like Mail Call and World War II in Color? What happened to the programs about the Romans, Greeks, Middle Ages, and Imperial era?

Why is it that 90% of their programming schedule contains reality shows? Reality shows aren't history; hell, over half of 'em aren't even real! And what's will all the scientific things, which should be on the Discovery Channel (which has now become almost just as bad with the reality shows)?

I don't really know if this is going to make any kind of difference, and I'm fairly certain it won't, but we've at least got to protest this junk. I don't mind the shows themselves because they're actually pretty interesting, but I watch the History Channel for history, not for anything else.

If you're also tired of it, then feel free to join in.

The original topic was the nature of History Channel programming, the abundance of reality shows and the lack of real history programs, let's yank this thread back on topic. Please.

Sailor Steve · 06-15-08, 12:26 AM

Done and done. We can continue this here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...940#post881940

Schroeder · 06-15-08, 10:36 AM

I only get to watch the history and military channel on youtube. Can it be that they have become very "patriotic" (biased) after 9/11?. The "Dogfights" shows for example are so horrible biased that it hurts to watch them.

Did you ever see an American plane go down in one? They only show American victories (I won't deny that there have been many, but the picture is simply not complete if they show American victories only. There have been many non American aces and they do never get mentioned.)

@Sailor Steve

There has been a show called Wings of the Luftwaffe in the late 80's IIRC. I've seen one of the shows on youtube featuring the FW190.

Sailor Steve · 06-15-08, 10:49 AM

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There has been a show called Wings of the Luftwaffe in the late 80's IIRC. I've seen one of the shows on youtube featuring the FW190.

Looking back I think you're right. All my videos are in storage so I can't look to see if I have it. Peter Ustinov hosted their 'Wings of the Red Star', or something like that. I just wanted to see them do a 'Wings of the Rising Sun'.

Platapus · 06-15-08, 11:06 AM

Although it would take many programs just to cover all the American Aircraft, I do agree that "wings" concentrating on the Aircraft of other nations would be very interesting

mrbeast · 06-15-08, 11:55 AM

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@Sailor Steve

There has been a show called Wings of the Luftwaffe in the late 80's IIRC. I've seen one of the shows on youtube featuring the FW190.

Looking back I think you're right. All my videos are in storage so I can't look to see if I have it. Peter Ustinov hosted their 'Wings of the Red Star', or something like that. I just wanted to see them do a 'Wings of the Rising Sun'.

I remember 'Wings of the Red Star' on the Discovery Channel, was a very good programme, one of my favourites. Peter Ustinov's narration was excellent and set just the right tone. The scripts were well written and the subjects always interesting.

Not seen it repeated though, at least not in the UK. Which is a shame, infact I think I'll have a hunt round Amazon see if I can find a copy on DVD.

Morts · 06-15-08, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I only get to watch the history and military channel on youtube. Can it be that they have become very "patriotic" (biased) after 9/11?. The "Dogfights" shows for example are so horrible biased that it hurts to watch them.

Did you ever see an American plane go down in one? They only show American victories (I won't deny that there have been many, but the picture is simply not complete if they show American victories only. There have been many non American aces and they do never get mentioned.)

sounds sorta like discovery channel "america has the best blah, the best gah, the best durr, the best umm..." load of crap

STEED · 06-15-08, 01:36 PM

I can not understand why anyone would want to watch a awful channel? The History Channel is just a joke, there research makes me laugh and bloody angry at the same time. Whats the point of making a program if the information is a mix of fact & fiction?

Complaining is wast of time I know, they just send you a fob off letter. I will admit I have never written to THC and I suspect they would just do the same thing. I stopped watching THC a long time ago, take some very good advice from me get yourself a good book on the subject you want to know more about.

06-16-08, 05:55 AM

If your watching for historical accuracy, I'll agree, much of what I've seen seems open to question, interpretation, etc. But I believe the demographic for the THC is not the grogs but the average guy who might have some history/military interest, which is fine by me. I'd rather have people at least recognize what they cover, than the average tube watcher who probably can't even find their country on a map.

Schroeder · 06-16-08, 08:23 AM

The problem to me is, that they are sometimes stretching the truth too far.

mookiemookie · 06-16-08, 10:15 AM

I'm with Stealth Hunter on this one. History Channel has strayed way too far away from history and into reality shows like Axe Men and Monster Quest and crap like that.

Wild West Tech was a great show. Dogfights was awesome, as well as Battle 360. The series they did on the Presidents was good. But it seems like shows like that have taken a back seat to modern day crap like Ice Road Truckers.

Check out the History International channel if your cable provider has it. It has a lot more history and a lot fewer reality shows.

SUBMAN1 · 06-16-08, 10:53 AM

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sounds sorta like discovery channel "america has the best blah, the best gah, the best durr, the best umm..." load of crap

Don't they?

Having lots of money as a country tends to lead to that country having the best stuff last I checked.

-S

Wolfehunter · 06-16-08, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I only get to watch the history and military channel on youtube. Can it be that they have become very "patriotic" (biased) after 9/11?. The "Dogfights" shows for example are so horrible biased that it hurts to watch them.

Did you ever see an American plane go down in one? They only show American victories (I won't deny that there have been many, but the picture is simply not complete if they show American victories only. There have been many non American aces and they do never get mentioned.)

Its called propaganda.

Anyhow Religion has alot of power in the world. Science has to becarefull not to step on too many toes or a holywar will happen. lol

Thats why the science community doesn't release all the details till they feel the populations is ready to handle serious changes.

Like it was said before its about money. Average people made to look like dogs to the public for a million dollars sells now.

06-15-08, 12:26 AM	#64
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Done and done. We can continue this here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...940#post881940 __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,375 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Although it would take many programs just to cover all the American Aircraft, I do agree that "wings" concentrating on the Aircraft of other nations would be very interesting __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I can not understand why anyone would want to watch a awful channel? The History Channel is just a joke, there research makes me laugh and bloody angry at the same time. Whats the point of making a program if the information is a mix of fact & fiction? Complaining is wast of time I know, they just send you a fob off letter. I will admit I have never written to THC and I suspect they would just do the same thing. I stopped watching THC a long time ago, take some very good advice from me get yourself a good book on the subject you want to know more about. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

06-16-08, 10:15 AM	#73
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I'm with Stealth Hunter on this one. History Channel has strayed way too far away from history and into reality shows like Axe Men and Monster Quest and crap like that. Wild West Tech was a great show. Dogfights was awesome, as well as Battle 360. The series they did on the Presidents was good. But it seems like shows like that have taken a back seat to modern day crap like Ice Road Truckers. Check out the History International channel if your cable provider has it. It has a lot more history and a lot fewer reality shows. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

06-14-08, 10:47 PM	#61
rifleman13 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2008 Location: Depth-charged to Kingdom Come Posts: 927 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	I watch the History Channel... If there's nothing to do! But then I play SH3 a lot.:rotfl: Then there's work, sleeping, reading history books, the Internet... the list goes on. IMHO, The History Channel is a little one sided like the Al Jazeera of Historiography!

06-15-08, 10:36 AM	#65
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I only get to watch the history and military channel on youtube. Can it be that they have become very "patriotic" (biased) after 9/11?. The "Dogfights" shows for example are so horrible biased that it hurts to watch them. Did you ever see an American plane go down in one? They only show American victories (I won't deny that there have been many, but the picture is simply not complete if they show American victories only. There have been many non American aces and they do never get mentioned.) @Sailor Steve There has been a show called Wings of the Luftwaffe in the late 80's IIRC. I've seen one of the shows on youtube featuring the FW190.

06-16-08, 05:55 AM	#71
orwell Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	If your watching for historical accuracy, I'll agree, much of what I've seen seems open to question, interpretation, etc. But I believe the demographic for the THC is not the grogs but the average guy who might have some history/military interest, which is fine by me. I'd rather have people at least recognize what they cover, than the average tube watcher who probably can't even find their country on a map.

06-16-08, 08:23 AM	#72
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	The problem to me is, that they are sometimes stretching the truth too far.