Obama on guns

[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

What's the Dem majority in the House, 35 or so?
And the Senate is tied, isn't it?

51-49 I believe. One or two might be independants like Joe Leiberman who have aligned themselves with the Dems.

It's all academic really as Congressional majority could change hands again in November.

[danurve]

Anyone with half a brain can look up the Omens voting record and unless they are a complete fool then realise that responce is nothing but his team attempting to blow sunshine up your @ss.

Same deal with McCain. Both major US candidates are Tools for the anti's. This election is a major Sh|t sandwich.

[JetSnake]

Hope the Heller vs. DC case goes for favor of individual rights. That would make more "sensible" legislation look unsensible. Unless of course the SC gives a very narrow opinion.

[Steel_Tomb]

Why the hell would you want to own an assualt rifle anyway? Surely a hunting rifle/pistol would be adaquete for protection etc? Its not like your going on a crusade! I would welcome such legislation, could stop loonies getting hold of guns so easily. Hey, at least you can have them! We dont have any at all in the UK!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

Why the hell would you want to own an assualt rifle anyway? Surely a hunting rifle/pistol would be adaquete for protection etc? Its not like your going on a crusade! I would welcome such legislation, could stop loonies getting hold of guns so easily. Hey, at least you can have them! We dont have any at all in the UK!

I think a better question is, Why not? Most people are not loonies, and an assualt rifle doesn't even appear in 1% of all gun crime! Rifles in general don't even make up 4% of gun crime! Its not a practical weapon to rob a store! It just looks ugly which is why its a target. Next, they will go after the next ugly thing. And on and on and on.........

Almost 100% chance that if a gun crime happens that its not an assualt rifle. Stupid legislators making stupid legislation. The actual number I believe is about 0.01%.

-S

PS. I take that back - Assault Rifles account for 0% - never has a legal fully auto gun been used in a crime by its owner.

PPS. The rifles they are talking about are sporting rifles - look alikes.

[August]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

PS. I take that back - Assault Rifles account for 0% - never has a legal fully auto gun been used in a crime by its owner.

That's not quite true Subman. There was a cop in Florida who used his legally owned Uzi to murder his wife and her lover a few years back. Of course his service weapon would have done the deed just as well but there you go.

[Platapus]

I fully support the regulation of citizens owning Assault Weapons.

However, I am against the regulation of semi-automatic weapons that only superficially resemble assault weapons.

[Yahoshua]

Originally Posted by August

That's not quite true Subman. There was a cop in Florida who used his legally owned Uzi to murder his wife and her lover a few years back. Of course his service weapon would have done the deed just as well but there you go.

There are only 4 instances where legally owned FA machineguns have been used in the commission of a crime:

-A man came home and killed his wife and her lover when he discovered them playing "hide the salami"

-A mans' wife killed her husband with his FA weapon (don't know what it was).

-The other two instances were committed by (at the time) current LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS using department owned weapons.

As far as crimes with "Assault Rifles":

The only time a civilian AR-15 style weapon was used in the commission of a crime was the D.C. "sniper" (proper term is gunman) shootings by John Lee Malvo and his son.

The only other time an civilian owned "Assault Rifle" was used was in the WIsconsin hunting massacre by Chai Soua Vang, a hmong immigrant who had a prior arrest record for threatening his wife with a firearm (this SHOULD have resulted in a restraining order and charges of assault with a deadly weapon to prevent him from owning firearms until he proves himself as having cleaned up his act).



Also, the term "Assault Rifle" is bandied about by the media so much that people have forgotten what the term actually refers to.

An Assault Rifle is a selective fire Rifle or Carbine that is capable of BOTH semi-automatic and Fully-automatic fire. Therefore, the civilian AR-15 and SKS rifles are NOT "Assault Rifles". To say they are even "Assault Style" is political term to make these firearms out to be the boogieman that they are not.