Gay marriage making progress in Norway, State of California

Kapt Z · 06-10-08, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

Good for them.

Sicko

You think I am a 'sicko' because I support gay marriage???

ok.

I can live with that.

McBeck · 06-11-08, 02:20 AM

Subman & Letum - take it offline please....

ReallyDedPoet · 06-11-08, 07:46 AM

We got much bigger issues in this world to think about than whether two consenting adults be it male or female, get married. For the record Gay Marriage is legal in Canada.

Fine by me, I may not agree with it as far as my own lifestyle, but I do respect it.

RDP

Letum · 06-11-08, 07:59 AM

Talking about submarines and homosexuality....
The course of the Battle for the Atlantic may have been very, very different if it was
not for the efforts of a homosexual codebreaker, mathematician and natural
philosopher who cracked the naval enigma codes, provided the basis, in theory and
practical design, for all computers like the one I am useing to type this and later
committed suicide when faced with prison or hormone injections for his sexuality.

One of England's worst betrayals of a hero whom so many owe their lives to.

mookiemookie · 06-11-08, 08:42 AM

I loved the "12 Reasons that Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society"

Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.
Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.
Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.
Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.
Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.
Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.
Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.

Tchocky · 06-11-08, 08:44 AM

Nice, mookie

Love #8

Platapus · 06-11-08, 09:39 AM

I sure hope some of these comments posted on this thread don't offend the gay and lesbian members of this site.

Some of the comments seemed a bit harsh at times.

Hakahura · 06-11-08, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Talking about submarines and homosexuality....
The course of the Battle for the Atlantic may have been very, very different if it was
not for the efforts of a homosexual codebreaker, mathematician and natural
philosopher who cracked the naval enigma codes, provided the basis, in theory and
practical design, for all computers like the one I am useing to type this and later
committed suicide when faced with prison or hormone injections for his sexuality.

One of England's worst betrayals of a hero whom so many owe their lives to.

Excellent Letum.

I've followed this thread for a couple of days now and was thinking about mentioning Turing myself.

How would his life have turned out in a society different to the one of the time?
A society that doesn't punish or discriminate against someone because of the way they are.
Would he have taken his life?
What other contributions might a mind like his made to the world?
Shameful that someone who directly shortened WWII should be treated like a criminal.

Hakahura · 06-11-08, 11:34 AM

Also I'm not quite sure what the homophobics are worried about.

It's not as if the oppertunity to get married is suddenly going to turn everyone gay.

I doubt many people would wake up, read the newspaper to find the law had changed and suddenly decide that now was the time to pursue a different lifestyle.

You either want to sleep with people of the same sex or you don't. No law is going to change that. If homosexual or lesbian couples want to get married let them I say.

joegrundman · 06-11-08, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakahura

Also I'm not quite sure what the homophobics are worried about.

mostly they are worried that they might themselves actually be gay

ReallyDedPoet · 06-11-08, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakahura

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Originally Posted by Letum

Talking about submarines and homosexuality....
The course of the Battle for the Atlantic may have been very, very different if it was
not for the efforts of a homosexual codebreaker, mathematician and natural
philosopher who cracked the naval enigma codes, provided the basis, in theory and
practical design, for all computers like the one I am useing to type this and later
committed suicide when faced with prison or hormone injections for his sexuality.

One of England's worst betrayals of a hero whom so many owe their lives to.

Excellent Letum.

I've followed this thread for a couple of days now and was thinking about mentioning Turing myself.

How would his life have turned out in a society different to the one of the time?
A society that doesn't punish or discriminate against someone because of the way they are.
Would he have taken his life?
What other contributions might a mind like his made to the world?
Shameful that someone who directly shortened WWII should be treated like a criminal.

Well said

RDP

Doolan · 06-11-08, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

We got much bigger issues in this world to think about than whether two consenting adults be it male or female, get married.

I have to say that another worry I have is "what comes next".

As a heterosexual, it is tempting for me, and many like me, to ignore the issue as it does not seem to affect me directly.

However, a legal action against it would, ultimately, be a legal action based on a relative moral system (if it wasn't relative, I suppose all cultures would either be pro or against) and that attempts to control a matter as private as sexual orientation.

Call me a paranoid, but that sets the ground for other laws that could affect me eventually.

Western governments lack power by design. This is, I think, a double-edged blade. It means they rarely if ever will have the power to enforce a "responsible" measure if it's unpopular. But it also means they rarely if ever will have the power to enforce an "arbitrary" measure if it's unpopular. They lack the backbone to do good AND bad.

The old debate between freedom and authority arises, but as of now I'd rather have a gay neighbor now than a government official watching me while I have sex ten years from now

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Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Talking about submarines and homosexuality.... The course of the Battle for the Atlantic may have been very, very different if it was not for the efforts of a homosexual codebreaker, mathematician and natural philosopher who cracked the naval enigma codes, provided the basis, in theory and practical design, for all computers like the one I am useing to type this and later committed suicide when faced with prison or hormone injections for his sexuality. One of England's worst betrayals of a hero whom so many owe their lives to. __________________

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mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I loved the "12 Reasons that Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society" Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal. Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license. Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

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Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Also I'm not quite sure what the homophobics are worried about. It's not as if the oppertunity to get married is suddenly going to turn everyone gay. I doubt many people would wake up, read the newspaper to find the law had changed and suddenly decide that now was the time to pursue a different lifestyle. You either want to sleep with people of the same sex or you don't. No law is going to change that. If homosexual or lesbian couples want to get married let them I say. __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.